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6 Jan 2010, 11:51 (Ref:2608882) | #326 | |
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@Farbrooke and Alan Brown... can you PM me your e-mail addresses and I'll send you a scan of the MG Golden 1000 race programme that was held in Mondello on 17th June 1973... there's a big feature on Des Donnelly's Viva in it and hopefully it might help shed some more light on your questions.
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Just to add a bit to Alan Brown's impressive list on post no.321.
There is reference to Jim Evans' 1.3 Escort. I don't think Jim ever raced this car - it's probably one he took in part-ex from Norman Hodgson when Jim sold him the Skoda. Further down is reference to 'For Sale - XOO 346F Escort'. This was the Chris Meek/Tate of Leeds ex-Doug Niven 1.8 BDA Escort shown on the line above. My brother, Chris, and I purchased the car from Tates purely to use the engine for an Escort we were building with a Jack Knight 5 speed box. We then sold the rolling shell on from Sheffield to Stuart Turner from Manchester (not the Ford Motorsport director) who in turn sold it to Alistair Lyall. Alistair won the first race at the re-opened Donington Park circuit in, I think, 1977 in this ex Alan Mann car. Who the hell today in their right minds would do that to such a famous car!! If only we'd known in 1973 what would happen in historic motorsport 20-odd years hence. An interesting aside - the XOO car had an ingenious watts linkage of sorts mounted under the diff pan and attached to the side chassis rails rather than the usual mounting at the back of the diff pan. Not sure if this was a standard Alan Mann modification. Peter Wray |
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I don't think that can have been the Escort Jim Evans got in part-chop for the Skoda. We're talking about 1973 and the Skoda wasn't built until 1977.
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Jim certainly had his Skoda prior to 1977. In September or October 1976 at the last ever Rufforth meeting Jim drove our 2 litre FVC Escort in the saloon race and on a drying track he just took the win holding off Norman Hodgson in Jim's old Skoda that he had sold to Norman a few weeks earlier. So you are right that it wasn't 1973 (hell, it's 37 years ago) but incorrect that Jim built the Skoda in 1977. I think he built it based on Chevron B26 'Chocolate Drop' in 1974 or so. I will check with him when I get home at the end of the month. Peter |
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Jim may be fed up with this subject as both Kevan and myself have been asking him questions. Autosport is pretty clear on this: Jim Evans Skoda was first raced at Croft on 6 March 1977, winning its race. After three new circuit records, Jim crashed it at Croft on 15 May and sold it to Cliff Sayer to be driven by Norman Hodgson. Jim got to race it again in June 1978 and won several more races before Sayer sold it to Jim Price in October 1978. That car was built from a Chevron B19. There were many later Skodas, one of which was indeed built on the Chevron B26 'Chocolate Drop'. The B26 was only built itself in 1974. Allen |
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Funny how the memory plays tricks and sorry I gave some false information re. B26 and B19 Chevron Skodas. |
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He didn't mention the rear suspension, but apparently the fron was quite trick as the McPhearson strut was used basically as the king-pin (pivot for the steering), and there was a seperate rocker style coil spring damper unit mounted lower down. He says it was the sweetest handling car he's ever driven, very softly sprung, but really gripped the road in wet or dry conditions. |
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Jim Evans was first mentioned late in the 1973 season in a 1.3 Escort, presumably the one for sale. In 1974 he raced (another) a 2.0 Escort with a Neil Brown-prepared Holbay engine (was it a twin cam?) which had a turbo. This with a factor of 1.4 would explain the 2.8 engine size quoted in some reports. At Cadwell Park it competed without a turbo in order to remain under the 2.0 limit there.
Stuart Turner was racing an Escort in April 1973 with an FVA engine i.e. before XOO 346F was advertised in MN. Did he have two Escorts? |
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I think Alan has this correct - Jim had his escort in 1973 (probably the 1.3) and this was then developed into the Orange Turbo escort which was a pinto 2.0L turbocharged. In 1975 it became white and further developed- in 1976 the same car was heavily modified with a removable front and the engine moved well back. All this was with the Turbo Pinto and the association with AET turbos who are still very much involved in motorsport. Sold to Jimmy Robertson at the end of 1976 and the Skoda was built for the start of 1977
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8 Jan 2010, 17:58 (Ref:2610103) | #336 | ||
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Alan is correct. I checked on Rufforth circuit on Google last night and it closed in 1977, not 1976 as I first thought. Therefore, Jim's activity with the Skoda was 1977 and not before.
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11 Jan 2010, 10:57 (Ref:2611535) | #338 | |
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John,it is me and my Skoda at Mallory Park,Wendy Wools round and it is Tony D about to lap us!...you had just past me going into the esses,it was a very hot day and i had trouble with it running to hot.What happened to your Escort...my Skoda is in Australia running as a sports 2000.Still get a buz from seeing those old photos..By the way Driftwood i still have alot of programs,so ask me if you wish.Does anyone know what happened to my Mk2 Escort..this was the one Tony Drummond built for a farmer nr Selby i cannot remember his name but when i bought it i had to dig it out of a corn barn..my Mk1 was broken up and the shell went onto be a road cari ll dig some photos out and post them on soon.
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There is an article in the programme (greatly provided by Davyboy) for the major saloon car race at Mondello Park on 17 June about the car with a photo captioned “Lotus-Jensen Healey Vauxhall Viva, 249 bhp under the bonnet” The photo was taken at the Whit Monday meeting (4 June). The white, orange and purple car has an iron-block, twin cam, 16-valve Lotus-made engine with TJ injection. The intention was to convert it to a dry sump set-up with a 5-speed Hewland gearbox instead of the wet sump arrangement and standard GT gearbox. It was said that it would cost Des about “five thousand” by the time it was fully sorted. This supports my previous suggestion that Des Donnelly was using this car at the beginning of May. |
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13 Jan 2010, 22:24 (Ref:2613019) | #340 | ||
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Bit late with reply. This is me at Donnington on 6/5/90 in the Wallinger-built ex Toleman Esprit. It had a 1 litre Carter-imp on 40's with Mk 8 5x speed, I got fastest Class lap of 1:20.80 (87.19 mph). I bought it from Eric Munnock(?) in Scotland where they replaced the 1600 BDA with a 1L Imp engine as more competitive in up to 1500 class. I sold it when they banned single centre seat sports cars, I believe in '91/'92 & then raced A35's!
At Mallory I got the lap record with a 00:51 also in '90. Those were the days. Shame the press calls me a 'Veteran Pilot' these days. Peter St.Barbe. |
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13 Jan 2010, 22:29 (Ref:2613024) | #341 | ||
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Sorry-My response was to POST 36 from 'driftwood' !!!
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13 Jan 2010, 23:19 (Ref:2613053) | #342 | |
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just caching up after my "holiday"
1 Alan Mann had 3 escorts 2 raced 1 was spare car they had box section welded into roof Frankie Gomm told me it was his first task when he started working for his father he said it was a right beach to do as you had to weld upside down and not get too much heat or roof buckled he did a couple of twisters before Alan mann took the shells! 1 alan mann escprt was race dby mick Chittenden more on that later Toleman esprit was first raced by Dick Wallinger using toleman TG280 corners on his own chassis that was a ground effect car and it was running 1500 bda then it went to Scotland and was fitted with the Imp motor I think Ricky Gauld had the car RJ Cross sponsored it ( i cant find my donington GT fotos ) If Eric Munnoch had it he was after Ricky BUT im sure it was Ricky you got the car from Ray Rowan bought the car and broke it up for the toleman corners Last edited by driftwood; 13 Jan 2010 at 23:29. |
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22 Jan 2010, 12:37 (Ref:2617451) | #343 | ||
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Cars and Car Conversions October 1974
“Big Bangers are back! Wildest saloons yet.”
The cover and accompanying article have been mentioned many times in many different threads. I am taking the opportunity of my yearly summaries to list the cars picture/discussed. 15 cars were pictured on the front cover and profiles of 19 cars were provided inside. A brief summary follows of these cars with main sponsor in brackets. Comments/observations from other sources are given in italics. Dave Brodie and Jonathan Buncombe [Shellsport] – Capri II 2990 V6 from the Gp 2 engine programme with Ford-Weslake heads and Kugelfischer injection – built by Chas Beattie – spaceframe and roll cage – completely detachable bodywork allowing accessibility to the mechanical components – Ford Cologne V6 2990 (or 3.1) with Kugelfischer injection giving 330 bhp at 7300 rpm – rear wheels uprights, hubs etc from Frank Williams Iso Marlboro F1 car (MN 8-8-74) – intended to install a 3.4 Cosworth Essex V6 Bill Cox [Red Rovers (Car Recovery Services) Ltd] – Capri Chevy 7.6 (or Chrysler) – car originally built in 1969, largely steel body on a one-off chassis designed by Bill Cox, Jaguar V12 gearbox, highly modded XK140 suspension – to have a Chevy 8.1 engine. Colin Hawker [Toleman’s Delivery Service] – Capri DFV (ex-Tyrrell F1) (450 bhp) – basically a standard steel bodyshell, so heavy at 21 cwt – Jack Knight 5-speed gearbox. Tony Hazlewood and Colin Folwell [Corbeau GT Car Seats] – DAF-Oldsmobile V8 5.0 – designed and built primarily by Ray Kilminster for Hazlewood (now owned by Folwell) – March F2-based suspension – 450 bhp Mick Hill [Tricentrol Racing] – Capri Boss V8 6.0 (530 bhp) and later a Boss Mustang 5.0 Faulkner & Dunn (470 bhp) – spaceframe with glass fibre bodywork – Lola T70 suspension and brakes – E-Type gearbox and axle – Tony Strawson had a guest drive David Howes [Howes Motors] – AM Javelin V8 6.4 – built from a 1970 road car for Gp 2 and still has all-steel bodywork (28 cwt) Martin Kent – Rapier Chevy V8 5.7 – based on a Gordon Keeble that he rolled in its first race destroying the body, but the chassis was sound so a Rapier body was used – the original chassis was later chopped aft of the driver’s seat and replaced with a lighter structure Gerry Marshall [DTV] – Ventora Repco-HoldenV8 5.0 (Big Bertha) – nearly 500 bhp – Borg-Warner 4-speed gearbox – quite heavy (“too legal”) at 25 cwt – crashed at Silverstone in August Doug Niven [Border Reivers] – Escort Boss V8 5.7 – front suspension from the ex-Mike Beuttler March 701, rest of the suspension and wheels are March-based (March 707 rear suspension and driveshafts ) – engine from Dennis Leech’s Gp 2 Mustang (about 500 bhp) - Jaguar V12 gearbox and diff. – “results of wind tunnel tests were apparent in unfamiliar aerofoils, one being virtually an inverted aeroplane wing mounted under the back of the car” (MN 18-4-74) Dennis Nott [looking for a sponsor] – Capri Chevy V8 5.7 – largely glassfibre bodyshell – suspension from a Lola T142 – Jaguar V12 gearbox and diff John Pope – Vauxhall Magnum-Aston Martin V8 5.3 – road-registered (WNK 127M) – “really demon tweak on this novel car is the quadraphonic tape deck” – running gear from a wrecked DBS V8 (5340 and 5-speed ZF) inserted into a strengthened Viva steel shell with a Firenza grill integrated with a fibreglass bonnet and front wing section and bootlid, rear spoiler and doors – used on the road (MN 7-3-74) Ian Richardson [Anglian Nuts + Bolts Ltd] – Corvair Chevy V8 7.6 – largely steel shell attached to a spaceframe – much of the running gear including the engine came from his McLaren M8 – 580 bhp – “two-door bodyshell sits on a specially designed square-tube spaceframe, 4 downdraught Webers, Hewland LG600 5-speed gearbox” (MN 27-6-74) John Robinson – Escort 1.3 BDA – spaceframe with a glassfibre body (claimed to be under 10 cwt) – John Robinson Racing Spares engine giving 185 bhp at 10 250 rpm – car sold to Jamaica Peter Shelton – Cortina GT Mk 1 V8 5.3 Gurney-Weslake (around 400 bhp) – wholly steel body – front and rear suspension Capri-based Tony Strawson [Servispak and Car Accessory Shops]– Capri Ford V8 4.7 Gurney-Weslake (410-415 bhp) – ex-Mick Hill – little more than the bodyshell is the same as when Hill raced it Tony Sugden [Brook Hire Liverpool] – Escort Cosworth BDE 1840 – doors, bonnet, boot and whhell arches are glassfibre, the rest being steel John Turner [Dealer Team Skoda] – S110R Coupe Chevy V8 5.0 (470 bhp) (from a Leda F5000) – most of the original structure is kept (14 cwt MN 17-1-74) – Hewland DG300 gearbox Nick Whiting [All Car Equipe] – Escort FVC 1930 (Alan Smith) – mainly steel bodyshell – (270 bhp) – displayed on the Motor Racing Showboat in January Geoff Wood [Flockton] – Escort Hart 1850 – spaceframe with glassfibre bodywork moulded by Ian Flockton Developments – Lucas injection – ZF gearbox and BMW 3-litre diff – “the lowest one yet” MN 22-8-74 – “the prototype for next year’s even lower and lighter car” MN 29-9-74 – largely glassfibre replica bodyshell mounted on a full spaceframe engine set well back “almost beside the driver in the cockpit” MN 5-9-74 (unidentified white Anglia at the back of the group photo) |
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22 Jan 2010, 13:53 (Ref:2617503) | #344 | |
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to update on some of these cars
The Brodie Capri is for sale with Gaa in Autosposrt Feb March April 1978 london tel no Bernie Harris had the car in 81 82 ish Doug Niven Escort Boss car was written off at Ingliston toilet block then he buys the Colin Hawker rolling chassis fits Boss motor Capri later sold 1978/9 to gary Charlwood who installs Jag v12 motor to race brands lydden Hawker installs DFV into the De Cadanet Duckhams car with VW Variant body fitted ( to me this was the nicest super loon especually in Toleman livery!) Tony Strawson Capri is later owned by Martin Birrane and Tony Rosen circa 77 The John Turner Chevy Skoda is later raced by ??McDonald and then circa 1982/3 ish Don GT/Thundersports Fred Cowell racing driver John Salisbury |
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22 Jan 2010, 15:13 (Ref:2617564) | #345 | ||
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At the October Clubman’s meeting at Silverstone in 1973 a race was organised for the fastest special saloons with the entrants putting up a stake with the winner taking the proceeds. This was, in effect, the birth of Supersaloons, although the race was won by the Gp 2 Javelin of David Howes. The BRSCC announced that they would back a six-race championship in 1974. It was originally intended to be for cars over 1800 cc, but that was not enforced and Peter Kitchen (Mini Clubman 1.3 BDA) qualified on pole at Silverstone in August when it was wet. John Player sponsored the championship, but withdrew after the two Easter races, presumably because of poor initial entries. The start of the Easter Monday race at Mallory Park is pictured in Paul Lawrence’s recent article in MN (16/23-12-09). The champion was Mick Hill.
The cars discussed in the CCC article are not included in the following list. Jeff Allam (Allam Motor Services) – Viva GT 2.3 Peter Baldwin – Mini-Ford 1.0 Sedric Bell – Mini Clubman Allen BDA 997 – for sale MN 19-9-74 Mike Berman and John Wales – Ford Popular Berpop V8 Rover 3.5 Bernard Bird (Gomshall Motor Co) – new Mini built (“price tag quoted by sponsor: £10 000”) – spaceframe (“main strength is centred around two steel tubes running from the rear suspension mounting points to an alloy bulkhead mounted directly behind the engine”) – Pete Vickers 8-port BL engine (130 bhp), but a 170 bhp BDA was expected to replace it. (MN 1-8-74 ) Warren Booth – Escort 3.0 Keith Bowmaker (Autotune) – Escort V8 Ford (or Chevy?) 4.7 – black Len Brammer – Fiat 850 - 1.3 BLMC-engined Ian Briggs – Mini-Ford 1.0 John Calvert – Escort 2.0/1.9/1.8 BDA Peter Cartlidge – A40-Ford 1.0 Phil Clark – Firenza 2.3 G Connolly – Cortina Rover V8 3.5 Brian Cutting – Escort Martin V8 3.0 – for sale £1995 (MN 17-10-74) Brian Davison (Drake & Fletcher) – Firenza 2.3 Tony Dickinson – Mini-Ford 1.0 Bill Dryden (SMT) – Firenza 2.3 Lotus (255 bhp) – the Lotus engine was replaced by a twin cam Firenza unit built by SMT (MN 22-8-74) John Elliott (Allam Motor Services) – Viva HB GT 2.3 Jim Evans – Escort 2.0 (or 2.1) Neil Brown-prepared Holbay with and without a turbo - “largely standard RS2000 engine” with Holset turbocharger MN 13-6-74 Bob Fox – Mini Clubman-Ford 1.3 John Fyda – Imp BRM-Ford 1.0 Joe Gregory – Escort 1.8/1.9 BDA – died after a crash at Llandow Frank Gunn – Escort 2.0 BDA – ex-Gp 2 Fred Hall and Roger Taylor – Escort 1.7 BDA Rhoddy Harvey-Bailey – Escort 2.0/1.9 BDA Norman Hodgson – Escort Malcolm Johnstone – Mini-Ford (BDA) 1.0 Peter Kitchen (Allen Crankshafts) – Mini Clubman 1.3 BDA Richard Long – “superlightweight” Anglia – full spaceframe with a glassfibre bodyshell – less engine only weighs 6¼ cwt or 5½ cwt – 1.0 BDA-headed engine built by John Robinson – 5-speed Hewland (MN 29-8-74) Richard Longman – Mini-Ford 997 John MacDonald – Escort 2.0 – to Damien Magee? Damien Magee – Escort 2.0 – ex-John MacDonald Gerry Marshall (DTV) – “droop snoot” Firenza 2.3 Dave McCloy – Escort 1.8/2.0 BDA Chris Meek (Princess Ita) – Escort 1.9/2.0 BDG /1.9 BDE For sale by Princess Ita Estates (Leeds) offers in the region of £5500, MN 13-6-74 – to Arthur Collier Chris Meek – Skoda 110R Cosworth BDG or 1.8 BDA Doc Merfield – Cortina Mk 2 Coventry Climax Godiva V8 Dave Millington (Brook Hire) – Firenza 2.3 twin cam John Murphy – Cortina Mk 1 V8 5.0 John Myerscough (Thomas Motors) – Escort TC 1.6 Mike Newman – Viva GT 2.0 – hill climbs Alec Poole and Roger Enever (Robert Ryan Racing) – Escort Broadspeed BDA 2.0/1.9 or FVC Tom Powell – Mini-Ford Zakia Redjep – Escort BDG 2.0 Paul Rhodes – Escort 1.8 twin cam/1.9 FVC (two different cars?) Bill Shepherd – A40-Ford 1.0 Colin Simpson (and Doug Niven) – Escort Twin Cam Eric Smith – Mini 1275GT Allen BDA 1.3 Malcolm Stevens – Ford Falcon 4.7 – one of the three 1963 Monte Carlo cars (thought to be Peter Jopp), to Sir Gawaine Baillie and then Roy Pierpoint – acquired at the end of 1973 and lightened to about 19 cwt, engine moved back two feet – said to be cheap and reliable if not fast (360 bhp) Paul Storr – Escort 1.7 Martin Staplehurst – Escort-Rover V8 3.5 Brian Thackray – Escort 1.8/1.9 BDA Jim Thomson (Guyson) – Firenza – hill climbs Wayne Wainwright – Capri-Rover 3.5 V8 s/c – hill climbs D Walker – Fiat 850 Coupe-Ford 1.0 (F3 engine?) (Was this the fully space-framed Ladybird Mk 11?) Tony Whibley – Firenza 2.3 Brian Whiting – Escort 1.9 BDE B Wright – Viva-Ford 1.3 Roy Yates – Zodiac-Chevy 5.0 For sale • Escort Chevy, rolling shell, as raced last season less engine, gearbox, diff., steering, offers (MN 7-2-74) • Special saloon Escort, professionally-built, choice of gearboxes and engines, Peter Barton, Basingstoke (MN 21-3-74) • Escort 1.7 BDA (John Robinson), ZF 5-speed, offers,Bob Caig, Borgue, Kircudbright (MN 2-5-74) • 5.2-engined Minor V8, ready to race or road use, £390 ono, Bexhill-on-Sea (MN 30-5-74) • Full racing Escort, complete less engine, £650, SCA engine £450, Mini-Ford rolling shell rwd £400, 0742 (MN 27-6-74) • Ex-John Robinson Escort, dry-sumped Holbay, £1100, Ilkeston (MN 5-9-74) • Professionally built sprint and hill climb Escort, injected Atlantic engine, Brian Walker, Longridge (MN 31-10-74) Ireland Arthur Collier – Escort ex-Meek Jim Graham – Escort 1.6 twin cam Mattie McNamara – Escort 2.0 Jackie Patterson (DTV) – Firenza 2.2 twin cam Rosemary Smith – Escort 1.8 FVC |
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9 Feb 2010, 23:10 (Ref:2630277) | #347 | |
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I am reading 1978 autosports i have just read tony drummond racing the 2 litre escort "oop norf"
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Clarifications to Alec Poole's cars (source: whole page article in MN 28-8-75). 1970-71 Turbo Mini (190 bhp) – sold to the Caribbean 1972 – ex Bill Shaw/Roy Pierpoint Rover 3500 fitted with a stroker kit to increase the capacity to 4.5 – also sold to the Caribbean [1973 – some races in a slightly modified Group 2 Datsun Sunny 1.3] 1974 – drove the Bob Ryan Broadspeed Escort (ex-Rafael Barrios) and acquired the Gillian Fortescue-Thomas Escort 2.0 from Ford at Boreham, this also ended up in the Caribbean |
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17 Feb 2010, 11:06 (Ref:2634894) | #349 | |
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Here's a photo of the Alec Poole Complan Mini taken in the pitlane in Mondello. I've some more details of it in a race programme which I can dig out if you need them.
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Correction
Apologies for the wrong quote. This was the original.
And this is the appropriate amendment. 1972 – ex Bill Shaw/Roy Pierpoint Rover 3500 fitted with a stroker kit to increase the capacity to 4.5 – also sold to the Caribbean. (MN 28-8-75). |
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