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Old 1 Aug 2012, 10:45 (Ref:3114635)   #326
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Or the Chinese slowed-down version of the Audi R18, as one more cynical might call it.
Oh , 2 of us then !!!
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Or the Chinese slowed-down version of the Audi R18, as one more cynical might call it.
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Oh , 2 of us then !!!
Make that 3!

It's remarkable how similar it is to the R18, of what we can see!
Though the front wheel arches do look a bit steeper, like the Toyota TS030 or the Lister Storm.
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Any idea what scale this wind tunnel is? But a better question would be, why do any wind tunnel testing at all if you just "borrow" proven aero concepts for your car?
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Old 1 Aug 2012, 12:42 (Ref:3114686)   #329
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I didn't know Audi was big into Motorsport consulting because that's an R18 look alike....
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The Audi R18 Wind tunnel model.

Few, but actually pretty radical differences.
Just look at the "floor" around the cockpit. It's very high.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Rebellion switch to this next year...
Yeah, and they might win the LMP2 class instead of LMP1. Of course, that leaves Audi, Toyota, and presumably Honda, fighting for the LMP1 title while having a small grid for the LMP1 class.
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Well this is a P2 right? So anyone who buys this chassis can put any engine in it correct? In essence you can finally rebadge a Lotus!
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Old 1 Aug 2012, 13:30 (Ref:3114718)   #333
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Well this is a P2 right? So anyone who buys this chassis can put any engine in it correct? In essence you can finally rebadge a Lotus!
Except when you peel away the Lotus badge and you find it's actually a Gebhardt or a Tiga or a Spice.
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Run an LMP2 in LMP1, would that even work? Rebellion need to find something to run, unless they can keep the Lola.
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Maybe Rebellion is working on attaining a Toyota for next year?
Or has that been crossed of the list.
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Old 2 Aug 2012, 09:32 (Ref:3115129)   #336
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They didn´t talk about the avaliable engines, didn´t they?
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They wanted to use the 4.5L V8 from the planned Esprit, no-one is sure what will be now that Baharharhar is gone. However being in the P2 class any engine can be used.
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Change on plans. All of the new concepts are binned, expect Esprit, which is now more likely to have a Toyota engine whenever it comes. I wouldn't count on this thing having a 'Lotus' V8 as early as 2013.

AFAIK, James Key is the one who has been leading this P2 project. But there are rumours that he's back in F1 to replace Ascanelli in Toro Rosso.
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Kinda sad really, does Toyota make a V8 that'd suit the Esprit?
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Kinda sad really, does Toyota make a V8 that'd suit the Esprit?
They have a 3.4 litre that has gotten some work in the hands of Rebellion or the one in the TS030! But on road cars they have some v8's in the Lexus lineup.
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Top Gear Mag issue 231 (June 2012) has an interview with Wolf Zimmermann who is the chief technical officer at lotus who says the new esprit engine (4.8L V8) is on the dyno and achieved 570bhp @ 8200 on it's very first run, with tweaks they got 9000 @ 9000. Both runs were with 'the original intake' suggesting they have made futher improvements since those runs. Apparently they've blown up several dyno's at Lotus with the engine so it's now at Bosch on the dyno's there doing reliablity runs 'around the nurburgring' at 7:30 laps (2 secs faster than a 458).
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Could be the Lexus IS-F engine but that's a 5litre V8. Theres a lot left in it though. It only revs to 6500-7000rpm. If they get it right I guess 100hp more is in it.
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I read in Autosport that Kolles said this car will end up being Lotus' 2014 LMP1 entry.

I did read that....didn't I?
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I read in Autosport that Kolles said this car will end up being Lotus' 2014 LMP1 entry.

I did read that....didn't I?
Hmm, that would mean we don't get to see the car as a LMP2 next year.
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Hmm, that would mean we don't get to see the car as a LMP2 next year.
Kolles said the car would be run with small wheel arches in 2013 so it could run in LMP2 next year. (?)

Not too sure about it myself but I am 100% sure Kolles was quoted saying something along those lines.
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Kolles said the car would be run with small wheel arches in 2013 so it could run in LMP2 next year. (?)

Not too sure about it myself but I am 100% sure Kolles was quoted saying something along those lines.
The 2014 car will have different dimensions and cockpit size compared to the 2013 LMP2. So either they will get a waiver for 2013 and run an uncompetitive car to test it (would make sense). Only run it in 2013 as a LMP2 or Only run it in 2014 as an LMP1/2.

But i bet someone more technical than me can judge if the car is will be a 2013 or 2014 design, from the windtunnel model
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Could be the Lexus IS-F engine but that's a 5litre V8. Theres a lot left in it though. It only revs to 6500-7000rpm. If they get it right I guess 100hp more is in it.
All the next generation Lotus cars were due to have that engine, however, they decided it was too long and too tall for the esprit so they opted to make teir own in house aparently the new esprit would've needed to be 100mm longer to use the lexus/toyota engine
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Any idea what scale this wind tunnel is? But a better question would be, why do any wind tunnel testing at all if you just "borrow" proven aero concepts for your car?
50% scale model being tested at Mercedes GP's wind tunnel. Some info here.

Does anyone know much about ADESS AG? I know they have some ex-F1 staff, I'm not sure what experience they have with prototypes (and F1 as mentioned in RCE).
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50% scale model being tested at Mercedes GP's wind tunnel. Some info here.

Does anyone know much about ADESS AG? I know they have some ex-F1 staff, I'm not sure what experience they have with prototypes (and F1 as mentioned in RCE).
They were involved in HRT F1 until last year
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A history of success I see.
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