Telcel-Motorola Mexico 200 @ Mexico City Busch Series Event Thread *SPOILERS*

[lnin0]

Scott didn't close the door - it was never open for JPM to go through. He didn't even have the front of his bumper under Scotts car. There is no door thus it is JPMs responsibility to back off and give the corner back - not blast head first like a freaking idiot into the lead car. Being that he did this to his own teammate only componds matters.

JPM was no doubt the faster car and just had to wait a couple laps and setup a nice clean pass on his teammate and take one two on the podium. JPM doesn't deserve the celebration. JPM can drive great but can't race for crap. JPM has always beena classless act - guess he fits right in with NASCAR.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by kingfloopy

Pruett will probably get docked points and fined and maybe put on probation for the hitting Montoya after the race.

I missed this bit, what happened? Was it on the slowing down lap?

[Tazio]

Do nascar have any penaltys for drivers punting other drivers off??
Montoya came from a long way back. In most other road racing series he would have got a drive thru.

[Knowlesy]

Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

I missed this bit, what happened? Was it on the slowing down lap?

Yes, he bumped into JPM on the slowing down lap.

This is in no way dirty or classless.

[kingfloopy]

On the pace laps after the race he shot up and bumped into Montoya's car and left a tire donut. I've seen it be a penalty before so I imagine it may be again.

There isn't really a penalty for spinning other drivers. The only penalties are if it was malicious. If it looks more like an accident they let it go and count it as racing luck.

J.D.

[Rick]

would have been interesting to see Pruett and Ambrose on the last few laps - came from 18th & 19th I think following Pruett being punted.

[muggle not]

Montoya may have been a little too agressive with Pruett. Not the first time in Nascar that a driver has been over agressive. If you watch long enough you will find an instance where every driver has been overly agressive. The after race incident, nothing new there either. Pruett has a little bit of an ego and was beaten by a better driver.......today.

Congrats to montoya for the win.

[deeks6]

Ambrose 23rd to 8th in effectively 4 race laps ... oustanding
Pruett 20th to 5th in same time.

I was trying to grab a glimpse of them in the background - they must have taken no prisoners and I think both may have taken an Angry Pill after being punted. Ambrose got turned around by Yeley I think.

At least we saw a bit of the #59 today because he was at the front most of the race. Marcos now 6th on points with at least 2 drivers in front of him not doing the full series. Top Rookie by a mile, still no mention of him in telecasts ...

BTW, is it just me or should the race been re-named the Juan Pablo Montoy-yah Grand Prix? I could have sworn I saw some other cars out there ...

[Hazza]

Hehe, there were two solid mentions of Ambrose on the telecasts.

As Asp pointed out to me: Did you know Tasmania is a small island off the bottom of Australia?

[Redracer77]

the move was never on but Pruett did move far to the left going down to turn 1 and Montoya was amazing under the brakes there all race long so he might have thought he was moving over for him...then didn't. It was funny watching Montoya's team boss asking all the other drivers to move over for him on his come back drive!!! Made me laugh.

One thing that I didn't understand was why did they have 2 laps behind the safety car every time a car spun and carried on....made the last 15 laps drag on when we all wanted to see a great battle.

We all know Montoya can drive a race car on a road course so would be good to see him win on an oval.

[VilleneuveTracy]

JPM was in a class by himself today. It is a shame that a dominant drive and a great comeback is somewhat overshadowed by the incident he had with Pruett. If there was ever any doubt that JPM could drive stock cars those doubts were eliminated today. I believe the yardstick for him is Tony Stewart, a convert from the IRL. JPM is light years ahead of where Stewart was after 8-9 NASCAR starts. How good will he be when he gets 2-3 years under his belt?

A strong run for Ambrose and a good recovery at the end. He has himself solidly in the top 10 in points as well.

[marcus]

Ok Im going to start my rant now.

I didnt start watching until the halfway mark (due to being at work)

But what a TERRIBLE way to televise a race.

This was absolutely ridiculous , I hope ESPN Never EVER show any racing again , it was just bonkers.

and Im not sure if the Mexicans were running the race or Nascar brought there own people but it was just plain silly.

1 car spins , does a complete 360 , hits nothing , grabs first gear and off they go again.

Officials decide lets have a full course yellow for that and make it last 5 laps ????

You have to be kidding me , havent these people ever heard of a local yellow ?
I was so angry and the complete lack of brains in the running of the race and the complete lack of intelect from the commentators and ESPN's terrible coverage that I was screaming at the TV.

Im sure Im not the only one that noticed this stuff ?

Does this happen all the time with Nascar road races ??

If so Im not gonna bother watching any more.

The race itself was OK , Montoya was great to watch but was impatient when passing Pruett , heat of the moment and made a bad decision , these things happen.
Ambrose was doing well but got tapped and spun , bad luck Marcos.


so in summing up except for the terrible TV coverage and even more terrible marshalling of the event it was good , but hopefully they can improve on the running of things in future.

rant over

[Hazza]

Yeah mate, ESPN was having problems with it's feed, and it would drop out so they'd go to addbreak to fix the problem, and each time we'd come back in time to catch the guy spin, and then off to an add break.

It was unlucky, it's normally not like that.

However on of the Debris flags, you could see this giant chunk of debris on the track, so that was fair play.

[chavez]

The yellow flag thing is frustrating on road course. But nothing today was abnormal. I can recall a time when they used to show a blue (yes, blue) flag instead of a local yellow.

[Asp]

Looking at the large number of cautions - yes, it drove me mad too. You accept that there'll be more cautions than in European or Australian roadracing because everytime someone stops on the circuit they need to send a truck out to recover it and that causes a FCY. But, they were throwing cautions as a result of a spin as quick as they would on an oval - which isn't needed. They weren't 5laps marcus, only 1 or 2 max, but they ruined the flow at the end of the race. What I found strange is that some Spin & Continued's didn't lead to a caution, and yet some did - what was the difference between them?

As regards ESPNs coverage though - no problems here. Informative commentary (for instance going to the cut away car to show us the problem with Montoya's fuel issue), and Dr Jerry and Rusty Wallace certainly have a great rapport (probably stemming back to when the Doc saved Rusty's life!) Race recaps and studio analysis (an American thing we see plenty of) were well timed, and great to see JPM has the "in race reporter" - good choice there.
It was very much the American way of presenting, and might not be to everyone's taste, but you'll get the same style from everyone.
My problem was with the event feed, it was very "top heavy" and rarely looking below the top5. We all knew the #42 was going to stage a fightback through the field, yeah for the first couple of green flag runs when he made up 9 positions we only knew from the ticker and/or T&S.

[chunterer]

Well I didn't see any of it, but judging by all the posts i've read, a controversial race and first win for JPM!

Congrats to the man though, sounds like it was a vintage JPM 'man on a mission' drive. Shame he bumped his teammate but Scott might get the chance to play what comes around goes around etc.. at a later date!

However, this win (albeit on a type of circuit JPM revels in and against a field that possibly only had about 10 front running drivers, mind you F1 probably had less than that in his time there, i'd say 6 at best!!) illustrates once again that when the conditions suit him and he's on his game Juan Pablo Montoya is pretty much unbeatable!!

Can't wait to see how he goes in next oval Nextel Cup event!!!

[leaso]

JPM has always been a sooky spoilt ****** in my books. He can drive but definatley not a racer. To pass he will barg you out of the way if he cant pass clean always been that way.

Good work to Marcos flag that flag high.

[Jacko44]

Originally Posted by leaso

Good work to Marcos flag that flag high.

Still would've been better to see him mentioned more than 2 or 3 times.. Even no mention of him going from 15th to 8th in two laps. I was also gettin annoyed at ESPN's viewing.. cut out about 4 times.. fox sports went to a break because of the cut-out, then as soon as they went back, ESPN went to a break.
Plus I still believe ESPN need a better crew.. Need more people up in "the booth" who know what they're talking about.. Not just relying on Rusty and Dr Jerry for all the answers.

[race aficionado]

check out the Speed report here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_if1mD1_mfc

[StuiE]

Oh man, oh man was that a great race, Montoya was FAST, absolutely the best out there, and I was on the edge of my seat for the last 20 or so laps.

Ambrose did pretty well too, especially after going off, saw a report that said he checked up a little as Biffle did ahead of him, then JJ got into the back of him, so no-one's fault really, he did well, if you can keep up with Boris Said, you're doing something right.

I also thought ESPN did a better job here than California (didn't see the Daytona race), having an awesome race was a massive help.

Was mentioned earlier of Hamlin's road course experience, as said, he had none, but mentioned when he won last year that he just likes flat ovals, and Mexico city is pretty flat, as is Pocono where he won twice last yr.


...anyway, Awesome race, lots of emotion at the end there, good to watch.

oh yeh, and I like that they don't penalise drivers for stuff like that, V8 supercar is way too heavy handed IMO.

[Jacko44]

Originally Posted by StuiE

Oh man, oh man was that a great race,

Any nascar race is a great race to me!

[Knowlesy]

I've got the re-run on right now on the TV and it still sends a shiver down the spine, even though I already seen the race!

[J-C]

Have to say that I've really got into Nascar this season - I've tried following the odd race before but it hasn't really held me. It's great having two drivers to follow - would never have imagined a couple of years back that my favourite F1 and V8 Supercar drivers would end up in the same series! That race yesterday was just amazing - just hope to find a way of seeing the remaining Busch races.

Would love to have seen the last few laps from mid-pack - Ambrose had some amazing fightbacks in V8s but going from mid-20s to 8th in something like 4 racing laps was incredible. And he's now equal 5th in the points - a fantastic achievement.

I've got used to the US style of broadcasting - whilst the cautions were a bit infuriating towards the end yesterday, what's worse is in most of the Nextel/Busch races this season there's been a caution during the ad breaks!

[botsquad]

espn coverage was awesome.
when they werent showing jpm giving everyone a road course lesson,
they were showing connie's ass. now thats direction.

[monaroCountry]

Wouldnt have minded seeing Ambrose mixing it with Montoya. Granted that Montoya had a faster car and the fact that Ambrose has more to loose. Two road racers would have been excellent.

BTW how big or well funded are Wood Brothers and Chip Ganassi Racing? All I know is that Woods is a fairly old and respected team whilst Chip had a kart team.

Please please please, NASCAR dont follow the German F1 coverage. Shumi all day long, close up, slow mo, artistic shots. Please show the rest of the field and the battles that happens further back. Wouldnt have minded seeing Scott and Marcos slicing through the field.