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2 Nov 2003, 17:03 (Ref:770830)
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OK, heres a street track for London. Many have been proposed in the past, all using parklane, but this i think is sufficiently different not to appear like the last lot.
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3 Nov 2003, 00:57 (Ref:771104)
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3 Nov 2003, 01:38 (Ref:771119)
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Oh, and Tim, I couldn't resist doing my own take on the Floyd Bennet site.
It's not as long a lap as yours, and quite a bit faster... But I like it better. And there's no paving required. More runoff too. The very fast (possibly flat-out for the prototypes) chicane is my favorite part. 
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3 Nov 2003, 13:36 (Ref:771539)
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To 944turbo:
1. Sorry about the Massachusetts airfield near Leominster...I just got this link on this thread in the middle of last week, and it was alredy up to the high 130s in pages...I didn't bother to surf back through thousands of posts... 2. I'm the guy who posted the airfields site over in the Sportscars & Gt Racing forum...it has been my source for all of the different designs I've created.....awesome site, isn't it???? 3. On Floyd Bennett Field....I've created 16 different layouts for this facility, and # 4 is exactly what you have posted....I like it, too... and it would be very fast....but as I really studied that facility and the length of the runways, etc., just about anything you design that uses portions of thos runways will have straights that are at least 2,000 feet long....so just about anything you put there will be pretty fast.... I chose to go the route that I did because I wanted to use as many of those big, wide runways as I possibly could....the design that you posted (and I also created myself) was one I ultimately decided against because it doesn't use that big long 5,000 ft. runway on the upper left at all....a lot of wasted pavement.. |
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3 Nov 2003, 15:48 (Ref:771698)
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after. 2. Sorry, didn't see that... And yeah, it's an amazing resource! 3. Well, the long straights are exactly why I liked this layout. Most tracks are tight enough already... I just felt that the design you decided on turned back on itself too many times... Not that yours is wrong, it's just a stylistic difference... I'd rather have fewer, memorable turns than more repetitive ones. This layout's got the feel of the old Sebring, which has been lost at the current track. Plus I _really_ love that fast chicane!  And I really love long circuits, but sometimes you just can't make use of all the land/pavement without hurting the overall feel of the track. What we _could_ do to use that 5000' runway is to run on the north side coming off the left-hander I put there, run all the way to the end of the runway, then have a left-hand hairpin, and run back up the runway before turning right and re-joining the layout. It's illustrated here in blue: |
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3 Nov 2003, 15:57 (Ref:771703)
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That layout was one that I considered, too (#7)....
I almost posted it...but I thought it would tak a lot of barrier set-up down that big, long runway that might obstruct the views fromthe main grandstands on the tarmac in the lower left of the picture... One of the advantages of doing something at an airfield is that the land is wide open, and by setting up the grandstands in a certain location, people can se virtually all of the racing action.... I do like your layout...I liked mine....especially the fast chicane....but I couldn't help but thinking about all of that concrete.... BTW....where would I have to lay pavement on my circuit???? from the images I've seen of the facility, mine is designed on exisiting runways or taxiways..... Please advise.... Thanks! |
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3 Nov 2003, 16:38 (Ref:771750)
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it doesn't have to be a high barrier down the middle there tim.
Just a concrete wall put up, with some catchfencing on it. The grandstands would have to be raised up a bit anyway to get good views over the whole racetrack. |
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3 Nov 2003, 16:39 (Ref:771751)
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Nice London track, pirenzo!
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3 Nov 2003, 16:53 (Ref:771766)
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1. The track transitions from a 5000' runway to a very narrow strip of road over a 90 degree left-hander. I'm afraid a lot of cars simply wouldn't be able to get in line to make that turn if they were fighting for position, especially on the first lap. 2. Coming from the intersection of the two middle runways, the cars should reach sufficient speed that they'll need proper runoff. Instead there'll just be a hard concrete wall between an out-of-control car and oncoming traffic. 3. Pretty much the same concern as 2. With pure fantasy tracks, runoff doesn't really count, but it does in real life. Plus, I think your pitlane's too short. That's the painfully honest critique I'd give were I an IMSA official. You can't get that perfect grandstand visibility anywhere, not even at Cleveland. That hairpin, though, would provide a _very_ cool spectator opportunity. The cars would come straight down towards spectators, enter a great passing zone, then head away in the opposite direction... Only to return to the same field of view in another tight turn before turning back onto the pit straight. |
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3 Nov 2003, 16:54 (Ref:771767)
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Oops, forgot the attachment.
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3 Nov 2003, 17:02 (Ref:771770)
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hi all newcomers sorry ...
i don't really like 90 degree street circuits (u know) & i really hate airport circuits... here's my latest creation ... |
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3 Nov 2003, 17:04 (Ref:771774)
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so dangerous for spectator and cars alike where thos tow hairpins meet though.
A head on impact with a concrete wall at probably 190mph, is not advisable, and would more than likely flip the cars over the barrier into the spectators. And of course we've seen what can happen when an Indy car smashes into catchfencing head-on at high speed... Courtesy of Kenny Brack... And Tony Renna too 
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3 Nov 2003, 17:05 (Ref:771777)
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I will never agree with those hairpins however... as you know already. But other than that, it would be a terrific track.... |
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3 Nov 2003, 18:09 (Ref:771852)
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Notes:
My barriers would be the tire barriers (thick ones) with concrete wall only in the very middle of them..... I do see your point about #1, and would have to lay some pavement to make that wide enough for the reasons you have stated.....I thought there was asphalt in there...thanks.... and as I look at it, the pit lane might be too short, but I estimated it to be about 1,400 feet of actual pit stalls. That might not be long enough for the neds of the racers.... Thanks for the input.... |
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3 Nov 2003, 18:22 (Ref:771880)
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As I look at that picture again, the area I have circled in orange looks like it is paved...or is that dark green as opposed to black??
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3 Nov 2003, 18:24 (Ref:771885)
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Sorry...posted the wrong pic...
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3 Nov 2003, 18:30 (Ref:771891)
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It's been awhile since I've posted a track. I've created a street circuit for Boston, MA. It has a couple of Long Beach inspired corners, such as the curving pit and the hairpin around the median. What do ya think? I'll post a blank map if anyone wants it.
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3 Nov 2003, 18:43 (Ref:771913)
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Yeah ill have a go
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3 Nov 2003, 18:44 (Ref:771919)
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very nice!
Tim, i don't think even a tyre barrier is enough. Unless you provide some real run-off (at least 20m {~60ft}) and then a tyre barrier. But safe to say that if one of those cars lost a wing, got a puncture, launched off the back of another car, it would end up probably with a driver injury at least And the orange area looks like a clump of trees to me.... |
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3 Nov 2003, 18:48 (Ref:771924)
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Can't be a clump of trees, that's the end of a runway....
But your notes on my circuit are well-received and well-taken...I've got quite a few options to select from in my files.... Thanks to all....I appreciate it... |
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3 Nov 2003, 18:55 (Ref:771934)
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Here Duffacus.... (btw, my track runs counterclockwise)
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3 Nov 2003, 18:59 (Ref:771938)
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I've also created a circuit through the streets of the American Capital, Washington, D.C. This one runs clockwise.
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3 Nov 2003, 19:00 (Ref:771939)
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Since everyone is doing "hometowns," this is an Indy Street Circuit...
4.6 miles...lots of wide streets and fast sections with long straight and intesting corner combinations when you actually drive it... But it would never happen....Any big racing in this town would ahve to happen in Tony G's own neighborhood...he brings too much money and tourism here for his events for the city fathers to even consider this...but it would be good racing...and there are many open areas where stands could be put up at verious points on this course... |
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3 Nov 2003, 19:39 (Ref:771970)
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there u go ...
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