Grp C/Grp A/V8SC 'Where are they now?' continued...

[racer69]

Quite abit of history in that GTR going by the description, it would have been paddling round Adelaide during the 1991 AGP with the F1 cars dodging it.

Originally Posted by William Dale Jr

Did Ross Palmer hang on to the Dogbone Honda NSX?

The Dogbone NSX was presumebly the same NSX that Ian Palmer was running in Nations Cup until mid-2004

[jd yort]

Originally Posted by William Dale Jr

Incredible!

Makes you wonder what other significant James Hardie 12 Hour cars are still kicking around. I think Mazda mostly kept or sold theirs to private entrants. What happened to Fitzy's Porsches? Did Ross Palmer hang on to the Dogbone Honda NSX? And what of that lovely Maserati Shamal?

Racer69 is correct on the NSX. The Shamal is here in Sydney back in road trim. It was for sale a while back.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by rdmdog

DJR Group A Mustang for Auction soon

http://www.shannons.com.au/pages/auc...0C25H22CS995TM

Not many details though.

Single wheel nut = 1985 (Bathurst at least)

Were these Zakspeed built? (There were two DJR Cars?)

For Sale

$195k...

[chavez]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

For Sale

$195k...

Was this the car crashed heavily in practice for the '87 Wellington 500 (the non WTCC event)?

[William Dale Jr]

Yep. If it the one sold to Robbie Ker, then that's the car. The Bowdens have the other one, don't they?

[Oran Park Forever]

Correct, it was the 'feature car' at Shannon's spring auction & failed to get any serious bids. So it's now on their for sale list, at roughly it's reserve price.
Of the two, this one's a more complete resto ('Green's Tuf' green interior) while the Bowden's still has a white interior & cage from it's post DJR days. Apparently this one (2nd chassis) is also the car Dick drove to victory at the '85 AGP support race so should be the more valuable one.

With no action @ 195K it seems the historic Touring Car market is in free fall just like the Muscle Car scene...........







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[GTRMagic]

So what is the story around about the 1981 Bathurst winner apparently being for sale at Bowdens?

Wonder what value is placed on the Tru Blu XD?

[Oran Park Forever]

Just read the following on the Ecurie Investment website.....

Bathurst winning Ford Falcon

They only make one a year.

Iconic car with unbroken history.
Restored to race winning livery.
Excellent mechanical condition.
Hit the starter button and enjoy!
$POA
Status: Inventory



Can only be Tru-Blu as I don't believe David would part with 64E....& it didn't have a starter button!




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[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by Oran Park Forever

With no action @ 195K it seems the historic Touring Car market is in free fall just like the Muscle Car scene...........

With all the cars that have been logbooked for touring cars over the past 40 years, it has to be a significant number deep into the hundreds and there are only so many people out there that can afford the cost of the entry, resto and maintenance costs and then the costs to run them in historics. There just isn't that many people that want a $200000 car, especially an old Mustang that doesn't pull chicks.

[Rob Bailey]

Originally Posted by Oran Park Forever

Just read the following on the Ecurie Investment website.....

Bathurst winning Ford Falcon

They only make one a year.

Iconic car with unbroken history.
Restored to race winning livery.
Excellent mechanical condition.
Hit the starter button and enjoy!
$POA
Status: Inventory



Can only be Tru-Blu as I don't believe David would part with 64E....& it didn't have a starter button!




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its the V8 Falcon supercar that Richards/Bright raced?

[DAVID PATERSON]

Originally Posted by Oran Park Forever

Just read the following on the Ecurie Investment website.....

Bathurst winning Ford Falcon

They only make one a year.

Iconic car with unbroken history.
Restored to race winning livery.
Excellent mechanical condition.
Hit the starter button and enjoy!
$POA
Status: Inventory



Can only be Tru-Blu as I don't believe David would part with 64E....& it didn't have a starter button!




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Could it be the 1998 Bathurst winner? John Harris had it years ago, but I think he may have sold it.

[Oran Park Forever]

If it is the 98 Richo/Bright SBR, then "iconic" is a little strong......

means we'll have to create a new word to describe:
Moffat Mustang
Brock A9X
Beechey Monaro
Goss Matich
etc etc & of course......

TRU BLU



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[DAVID PATERSON]

Originally Posted by Oran Park Forever

If it is the 98 Richo/Bright SBR, then "iconic" is a little strong......

means we'll have to create a new word to describe:
Moffat Mustang
Brock A9X
Beechey Monaro
Goss Matich
etc etc & of course......

TRU BLU



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It could be argued that every Bathurst winner is thus iconic. The 1998 winner was the first BW for SBR, the first for Brighty & the first for Richo Jnr. It was also "the last Falcon to win Bathurst" for almost a decade.

[rich07]

Originally Posted by racer69

The Dogbone NSX was presumebly the same NSX that Ian Palmer was running in Nations Cup until mid-2004

Concerning the the Nations Cup NSX I saw it referred it to as a Brabham NSX and that it was V8 powered? Can anyone shed any light on this?

[gts300]

Originally Posted by rich07

Concerning the the Nations Cup NSX I saw it referred it to as a Brabham NSX and that it was V8 powered? Can anyone shed any light on this?

I recall it was a plastic front end that eliminated the pop up headlights of the standard nsx.

From Natsoft (first link that came up with mr google) the capacity sort of points to it being a standard engine, although that capacity would not precluded something like a Judd V8. Having a quick look at the RedBook specifications indicate an engine of the same 3179cc capacity as being standard in 2003, so the V8 story is looking doubtful, woiuld have sounded sweet though and I don't recall such music.

[Juarez Jed]

Wasn't the Brabham NSX some obscure Japanese special model that ran a supercharger but it proved so unreliable in Nations Cup that the car ended up with a Judd V8 that was never in the production model of the car ?

[rich07]

Originally Posted by Juarez Jed

Wasn't the Brabham NSX some obscure Japanese special model that ran a supercharger but it proved so unreliable in Nations Cup that the car ended up with a Judd V8 that was never in the production model of the car ?

The supercharged model does ring a bell as I was doing some searching and found a drive article that was talking about the 2000 Adelaide round of GTP Nations Cup (as it was known then).

In addition to the Ferraris, there will be a Lamborghini, 10 Porsches, four Dodge Vipers and a pair of supercharged Brabham-Honda NSXs.

Presumably Palmer ended up with one of these.

And this motorsport.com article http://www.motorsport.com/news/artic...&FS=AUS-PROCAR talking about those two cars

The pair of specially-built supercharged Brabham-Honda NSX coupes will be among a multi-million dollar field of up to 28 exoticars racing on the Adelaide street circuit on April 8-9.

The cars are being built in Brisbane for drivers Ian Agnew and Ian Palmer.

The all-aluminium Hondas, usually capable of 275 kmh, will be fitted with American Comptech superchargers to boost their three-litre engines to more than 350 horsepower.

The coupes are developments of the first Brabham-Honda NSX created by PROCAR Australia chief Ross Palmer from the car he and Wayne Gardner raced in the 1993 Bathurst 12-Hour.

Several questions remain though, did it ever run a V8? And what exactly was a Brabham NSX in the first place? Not finding any info on whether any roadcars existed.

[jd yort]

As mentioned before it was the Dogbone NSX that Gardner pranged in 93 and the same car that Crick used to win Targa in that year. It was put together by Neil Lowe and funded by Ross Palmer. Jack Brabham acted as a consultant to the project due to his contacts in Honda and I guess as a Marketing ploy.

The aim was to offer the car as a commercial item and race it in the 97 Targa. They were using it as the safety car for the GT Production Championshp in 98 to see if their was interest in producing the car. At this point in time it was bright yellow with an NSX 3.0 litre quad cam bored to 3.5 litres and supercharged.

I have some pics of it around that I will have to post up. The thing was so unreliable for a large part of its racing life and I seriouly doubt a second car was ever built. I do recall something about a Judd engine.

[rich07]

Originally Posted by jd yort

As mentioned before it was the Dogbone NSX that Gardner pranged in 93 and the same car that Crick used to win Targa in that year. It was put together by Neil Lowe and funded by Ross Palmer. Jack Brabham acted as a consultant to the project due to his contacts in Honda and I guess as a Marketing ploy.

Ah so there was never a Brabham NSX roadcar it was just the racecar used in the 12hr which over the years has a had a long and interesting history under several guises and was only called a Brabham NSX due to the involvement of Jack Brabham. Would've been nice to have Brabham NSX roadcars, would've been a collectors item.

Thanks for the info jd yort, I followed Nations Cup and always wondered what it was that Palmer was driving, I knew it was a NSX and all but had never heard of a Brabham NSX roadcar. Would love to see those pics if you can post them up please.

[Juarez Jed]

The car definitely ran a supercharger as a Brabham NSX as I said a few posts ago, but always threw belts and failed to proceed.
The car also ran with a Judd V8 due to the Brabham-Honda relationship which was also unreliable. This had no claim to being based on a road car, merely an attempt to make the car competitive against its rivals at the time.
The car ended up with a turbocharged NSX six cylinder engine, which improved reliability and competitiveness significantly, but not enough to make the car a Ferrari or Porsche beater.
I am relying on memory for all of this, but I am sure it's right.
Thanks jd yort for the details about the Brabham NSX. I remember course commentators saying it was a limited edition Japanese roadcar, but I could never find anything on the net about such a vehicle even at the time so thought it was just an excuse to give the car a leg up by adding the Comptech supercharger.

[racer69]

What happened to the original Ashby/Reed VK Commodore, that they last used in the 1987 Hardie Irrigation 100 (and was involved in the crash with the Terry Shiel/Mark Skaife Gazelle)

Was the car written off in the crash? Or was it converted into the VL they debuted a few weeks later at the Oran Park Pepsi 250?

The VK was previously Ken Matthews car.... was it newly built in 1985, or did it date back to Group C?

[GTRMagic]

George Fury's rallying Datsun ~1981...



Nissan Skyline GT-R R32 circa 1991..



Notice the similarity?

[htc]

what was the history of the vk commodore Maurice Pickering drove in selected rounds of the 1990 atcc ?

and was the corolla Alf & Tim Grant drove in the 1990 atcc an ex TTA car or 1 of the cars Bob Holden got from england ?

[jd yort]

Originally Posted by rich07

Ah so there was never a Brabham NSX roadcar it was just the racecar used in the 12hr which over the years has a had a long and interesting history under several guises and was only called a Brabham NSX due to the involvement of Jack Brabham. Would've been nice to have Brabham NSX roadcars, would've been a collectors item.

Thanks for the info jd yort, I followed Nations Cup and always wondered what it was that Palmer was driving, I knew it was a NSX and all but had never heard of a Brabham NSX roadcar. Would love to see those pics if you can post them up please.

2 pics from Eastern Creek. July 2005.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by racer69

The VK was previously Ken Matthews car.... was it newly built in 1985, or did it date back to Group C?

Not sure if this helps, but the 1985 Ken Matthews car was not based on his 1984 Group C car.

Ken purchased the original STP sponsored Roadways VH in April 84 (Chassis: Racing 4, aka "Elvis"), running it in Bathurst that year and finishing 13th.

The car was later sold as a roller in 1986, still in the Ignis Fridges livery that it remained in until 2006, when it was restored back to the STP livery.

However I have been told the running gear from the Group C car was used in the VK.