2016 Rolex 24 Entry List - Page 15

Deleted · 18 Jan 2016, 09:51 (Ref:3605857)

Darkness level wise,

N24+S24, awesome
Sebring+PLM, adequate
LM, ranges from good to acceptable
Bathurst, good but darkness is gone so fast it's kinda wasted
Daytona, banking is okayish but infield way too lit
WEC COTA, crap
WEC Bahrain, crap and insulting

wdave0 · 18 Jan 2016, 14:02 (Ref:3605936)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Darkness level wise,

N24+S24, awesome
Sebring+PLM, adequate
LM, ranges from good to acceptable
Bathurst, good but darkness is gone so fast it's kinda wasted
Daytona, banking is okayish but infield way too lit
WEC COTA, crap
WEC Bahrain, crap and insulting

Note the adequate and better tracks are also the proper old style road courses - not Tilkes or (yuck) rovals.

**joeb** · 18 Jan 2016, 14:16 (Ref:3605937)

I was just watching Lanky's video from the Daytona test again and I noticed that the WTR car has Dallara stickers on the mirrors. I've never noticed the Corvette DPs with any signage of their respective chassis manufacturers before. Have I just missed this in the past or is it new this year?

Deleted · 18 Jan 2016, 14:18 (Ref:3605938)

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Originally Posted by wdave0

Note the adequate and better tracks are also the proper old style road courses - not Tilkes or (yuck) rovals.

The shocking thing is that Spa hasn't yet sold it's soul on that front, like it has in the gargantuan F1 asphalt runoff areas. I can't believe how pitch black that circuit is when sun has set. I guess FIA or anyone else doesn't particularly care how they run the 24 hours (which is a good thing)

wdave0 · 18 Jan 2016, 14:30 (Ref:3605939)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I was just watching Lanky's video from the Daytona test again and I noticed that the WTR car has Dallara stickers on the mirrors. I've never noticed the Corvette DPs with any signage of their respective chassis manufacturers before. Have I just missed this in the past or is it new this year?

Might be greasing the skids for a Dallara DPi.
It seems against IMSA/NASCAR policy to actually mention an actual DP manufacturer.

NaBUru38 · 18 Jan 2016, 14:59 (Ref:3605944)

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Originally Posted by Pontlieue

At Daytona, I like the lights. Over half of the race takes place during the night, and with the lights, it's easier to keep up with what's happening on track.

Don't get me wrong, I like the atmosphere of proper night racing, and I definitely don't want all circuits to become like Daytona. But for Daytona, it's fitting.

Agree.

Deleted · 18 Jan 2016, 15:29 (Ref:3605952)

Today's IMSA twitter feed seems to be on the same topic as us on darkness front (sort of with the MLK day)

Of course, they had to use shot of PLM esses instead of lit Daytona to get their point through

Matt · 18 Jan 2016, 15:54 (Ref:3605956)

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeb

I was just watching Lanky's video from the Daytona test again and I noticed that the WTR car has Dallara stickers on the mirrors. I've never noticed the Corvette DPs with any signage of their respective chassis manufacturers before. Have I just missed this in the past or is it new this year?

WTR has had Dallara decals on the mirrors for a while.

AXR has Coyote decals on the noses as well.

TF110 · 18 Jan 2016, 20:29 (Ref:3605994)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiana

The shocking thing is that Spa hasn't yet sold it's soul on that front, like it has in the gargantuan F1 asphalt runoff areas. I can't believe how pitch black that circuit is when sun has set. I guess FIA or anyone else doesn't particularly care how they run the 24 hours (which is a good thing)

Spa had to do the runoff or it'd probably lose the F1 race. Try telling your biggest payday 'no thanks' because you want your grass and gravel. Were lucky there isn't floodlights. And that's because F1 does it during the day.

Speed-King · 18 Jan 2016, 21:28 (Ref:3606006)

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Originally Posted by TF110

biggest payday.

Hahaha, no. I don't think that there's a European track that breaks even on F1 anymore - at least not without government subsidies.

Rcz · 18 Jan 2016, 23:05 (Ref:3606033)

Image if Grand am never had Gen 3 DPs, but we would be still stuck with Gen2 DP instead. Image the horror of a Gen2 Dallara go down the straights of Sebring.

TF110 · 18 Jan 2016, 23:23 (Ref:3606038)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

Hahaha, no. I don't think that there's a European track that breaks even on F1 anymore - at least not without government subsidies.

You took that too literally. Spa gets to host F1, that brings in a lot more exposure than the other races held there. Don't think Spa would fail without F1, but look what happened with other tracks. Threats to Monza come to mind. It's best to be on the safe side of the FIA/FOM, even if Bernie's fees are excessive. That's part of the reason tracks here in the U.S. aren't riddled with runoff areas and the like. No F1 to worry about, no FIA to worry about.

FormulaFox · 18 Jan 2016, 23:30 (Ref:3606040)

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Originally Posted by Rcz

Image if Grand am never had Gen 3 DPs, but we would be still stuck with Gen2 DP instead. Image the horror of a Gen2 Dallara go down the straights of Sebring.

Better than the Gen2 Riley. At least the Dallara TRIED to look a bit like an LMP. :P

But put a gun to my head and force me to pick a DP to have to deal with until the end of time, and I'd actually take the Crawford DP08 over the Gen3 designs:

BullMan · 19 Jan 2016, 00:47 (Ref:3606051)

I'm watching the 2008 Rolex on YT and boy is it ugly.

40 GT class car though, and I'm guessing 30 are FrankenPorsches. Looked like a Porsche SuperCup race at the start.

FLGTFAN · 19 Jan 2016, 01:17 (Ref:3606060)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

But put a gun to my head and force me to pick a DP to have to deal with until the end of time, and I'd actually take the Crawford DP08 over the Gen3 designs:

Really? Near as I can tell, the DP08 recorded a best finish of 8th - in Grand Am.

MaskedRacer · 19 Jan 2016, 02:03 (Ref:3606070)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

I'm watching the 2008 Rolex on YT and boy is it ugly.

40 GT class car though, and I'm guessing 30 are FrankenPorsches. Looked like a Porsche SuperCup race at the start.

The only good looking DP ever was the Corvette. Particularly in C7 design such as the one now. The #5, #31, and #90 all have good liveries too. But the #10 Taylor cars all black is not very good. Would be nice if they suprised us with a yellow livery for Konica Minolta next week.

I could never take Grand Am seriously not only because of the ugly DPs. But the GT cars were slow and not the elite GTs we saw in ALMS GT. It is not a coincidence that my first Daytona 24 that I saw in person was in 2014 after the merger. The first time that the elite GT cars ran there.

FormulaFox · 19 Jan 2016, 02:46 (Ref:3606081)

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Originally Posted by FLGTFAN

Really? Near as I can tell, the DP08 recorded a best finish of 8th - in Grand Am.

At exactly what point in my comment did I say anything to indicate I was taking performance into account in that decision?

BullMan · 19 Jan 2016, 03:04 (Ref:3606089)

I think David Hobbs agrees with the majority of us regarding the lighting:

https://youtu.be/eh_ofBB9cCk?t=1h56m50s

Rcz · 19 Jan 2016, 05:20 (Ref:3606118)

I think Eduros are probably incredibly difficult to cover on TV, no tv channel is going to dedicate that much time to well, let's face it, a rather unpopular form of racing. And it definitely dosen't help it hard to see the race on tv in the dark.

It's a damn shame we lost Speed at a important time in sportcars. We definitely need a mainstream dedicated motorsports channel now.

The sprint races should be easy to be put on broadcast tv, I say they got to have 8 of those races on fox to help bring in new fans.

Deleted · 19 Jan 2016, 10:09 (Ref:3606150)

It's ironic that the much loathed ALMS ESPN TV deal of 2011-2013 brought more mainstream coverage with the partial season ABC network broadcasts, than full NASCAR series with all of it's potential marketing power with it.

FormulaFox · 19 Jan 2016, 11:15 (Ref:3606154)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

It's ironic that the much loathed ALMS ESPN TV deal of 2011-2013 brought more mainstream coverage with the partial season ABC network broadcasts, than full NASCAR series with all of it's potential marketing power with it.

Which, incidentally, is exactly what I'd predicted(save for the merger), and was quite heavily criticized for it.

fieldodreams79 · 19 Jan 2016, 12:00 (Ref:3606163)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

I think David Hobbs agrees with the majority of us regarding the lighting:

https://youtu.be/eh_ofBB9cCk?t=1h56m50s

Yup, spoiled "a bit".

http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...008-01-27.html
24 Beetles by my count, which is 20 too many IMHO. Those DPs were pretty hideous as were the Pontiac GXPs.

BSchneiderFan · 19 Jan 2016, 12:07 (Ref:3606167)

The Rileys were particularly hideous.

ATLFalconsFAN · 19 Jan 2016, 15:40 (Ref:3606234)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Yup, spoiled "a bit".

http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...008-01-27.html
24 Beetles by my count, which is 20 too many IMHO. Those DPs were pretty hideous as were the Pontiac GXPs.

You know it's bad when the best looking cars in the field are the "Photo Unavailable" cars.

Matt · 19 Jan 2016, 15:46 (Ref:3606235)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

Better than the Gen2 Riley. At least the Dallara TRIED to look a bit like an LMP. :P

But put a gun to my head and force me to pick a DP to have to deal with until the end of time, and I'd actually take the Crawford DP08 over the Gen3 designs:

Separated at birth?

Best looking of the non-Gen3 DP's was the Doran JE4, imo.

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