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Compare that with RBR's 2013 budget which in total was about US$396M. And Ferrari about US$421M. Hass F1's budget in it's first year will most likely be closer to the US$200M mark or more in total I would think. |
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It depends on what 'failure' or 'success' means to him. A few hundred million is obviously loose change jangling round in this guy's pocket. So he wants to operate an F1 team from the States and run around at the back of the grid for a few years... or until he's bored with it... what's the problem ?
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HRT fell out with Dallara over the allgedly poor chassis. It's hard to tell from the outside whether the root of the problem was the Dallara though - more than likely is was also down to not enough cash to develop the thing, or it was done on the cheap in the first place. |
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Dallara would've made a fine constructor for Haas' purposes. With one of their wagons you'd finish stone last but you would finish. That's what you want in your first year. Presuming your drivers stay out of trouble of course.
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I'm beginning to wonder if all of this talk from Mr Haas is just a smoke & mirrors wind up?
He could have probably already done a deal to buy everything from Ferrari (and even borrow some team members to run the things) but doesn't want to give the game away too soon... |
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There's a lot of finesse and skill in making one of these things go fast and I felt bad for the drivers of the HRT, it looked pretty evil to drive. Whether it is aero, suspension/shocks, or electronics these things are highly technical and it wouldn't take much to make a car very difficult to drive anywhere near the limit. I have to think that going with someone at least established like Dallara |
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Campos couldn't pay and indeed had to sell up just before the season started.
Dallara not receiving cash meant they dropped the newly dubbed HRT like a stone and HRT toddled through the season with a chassis that recieved ZERO of the scheduled updates and support from Dallara. Despite that, that Dallara still had a first class finishing rate. Dallara is also a proven race winner in sportscars supporting the Audi too. So they aren't a bad port of call for starting out in F1. |
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12 Jun 2014, 13:14 (Ref:3419197) | #360 | |
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Learned my lesson on the last USF1 upstart. I will not pay any attention to any of this venture till there is a car on track testing somewhere. Its a colossal waste of time.
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Just how much are the rules changing with regard to 'customer cars'?
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Granted, he still has a massive hill to climb. I see no reason to not watch him try (fail or otherwise). It clearly is safest to not even try. Richard |
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If the guy is being reckless he can do that just as I'm going to comment on that. |
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certainly a lot more publicity then what a paid sponsorship of that amount would get you. putting my conspiracy hat on, maybe there is a connection with the push for customer cars. maybe his acceptance by the FIA (which makes less and less sense given his seemingly state of total unreadiness) is a trojan horse and Ferrari's/Luca's way of getting additional Ferrari branded cars onto the grid. always games within games. |
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My real point above is that he was (still is) being pilloried for not being realistic in his expectations. So the moment he says something that is remotely realistic, everyone jumps on him again. If everyone does nothing but ***** about what he says then its hard to figure out what are the valid criticisms vs. general negativity. Richard |
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Regarding the entry bond ($20 million???) what are the requirements for getting that back if you bail out? Anyone know the details? Richard |
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my guess is the FIA get to keep it
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Do we know whether he would be team principal himself, or do what Mateschitz does and just sit back and let someone else run it while putting a bit of input here and there? If he's deciding on hiring someone to run the team then fair enough he doesn't need to be as knowledgeable.
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He's wishy-washy because he has no idea how to break into F1, so he goes from one idea to another and makes press announcements, without any PR and so opens himself up to criticism, i.e., wishy-washy.
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Being over here in quaint ye olde Engerland, we are somewhat removed from the fast moving world that is NASCAR. So my question would be, is Haas like this with his NASCAR team, or does he for that team only issue statements when they have some importance and relevance?
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I really don't know why this guy is getting so much flak. He has suggested an unorthodox way of operating an F1 team, is running various ideas around in his head and [if it ever comes to fruition] plans to spend several years at the back of the grid learning the ropes. Of the three 'new' teams that joined the fray nearly 5 years ago - one's gone and the other two have done nothing more than firmly cement their position at the back. That's despite the fact those two surviving teams are located in Britain.
Haas has the funding to bring his relatively modest ambitions to reality... and who are we to cast aspersions over how somebody spends their money ? If nothing else, it will hopefully enable two more drivers to gain F1 race experience without having to find a bag load of cash. |
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