FIA GT Sprint Series 2013 (SRO GT3) - Page 15

Victor_RO · 22 Apr 2013, 05:05 (Ref:3237684)

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Originally Posted by codesurge

What happened to Seyffarth/Chandhok? I see them classified in the qualifying race but don't see them listed at all in the main race.

They struggled with braking issues all weekend long, maybe they parked the car for the main race considering it unsafe?

codesurge · 22 Apr 2013, 07:00 (Ref:3237716)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

They struggled with braking issues all weekend long, maybe they parked the car for the main race considering it unsafe?

Never mind, Karun just posted this on Twitter:

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Not a great weekend of racing for us in Zolder at @FIAGTSeries - problems in quali & then taken out by Loeb on lap 1 of the main race !

https://twitter.com/karunchandhok/st...22274875236352

Kinda strange that they weren't classified as a retirement, even if they were taken out on lap 1.

IndyMeister · 22 Apr 2013, 08:22 (Ref:3237742)

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Originally Posted by codesurge

Kinda strange that they weren't classified as a retirement, even if they were taken out on lap 1.

It took quite some time to figure ot who the second DNS besides Team India was. To my mind, crashing on the first lap should count as "started the race"

rich07 · 22 Apr 2013, 08:54 (Ref:3237768)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

How awesome was that!?

Best race of the weekend by a mile. What a battle in the last laps.

Couldnt agree more!

Fantastic racing, so close but without punting each around the racetrack, I love seeing this type of racing and Im even happier to see Kox and Rosina take the win, the happiness was quite evident in the Reiter garage.

jsTrecu · 22 Apr 2013, 10:45 (Ref:3237812)

Just finished watching the Main Race, last minutes were great

Happy to see Reiter winning too.

Loeb Racing needs to get it right in Zandvoort, they have a great car and should be up there with Audi battling for the Chip.

urdragon · 22 Apr 2013, 19:10 (Ref:3238057)

How much days this guys need to upgrade their website?, the championship results should have been updated max one hour after the race, and more than a day after the race, nothings been done, are this guys who want to rivalize with F1?

http://www.fiagtseries.com/results/driver-standings

Babapapa · 23 Apr 2013, 00:10 (Ref:3238180)

it was a nice racing-sunday in zolder!

nice weather, 25€ entrance and 10 for parking.

the fia-gts showed the action of a sprint race and brcc + the supercarchallenge interesting cars of the last years.

the CR5-#11 and the mazda 3 with rotary power made the sound!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsjXAhbxp0s

hondafan37 · 23 Apr 2013, 02:23 (Ref:3238201)

Beautiful sound!!!

Juntos · 23 Apr 2013, 12:30 (Ref:3238382)

FIA-GT is walking back to the glory old times. The spirit flows in the paddock. Ratel won again.

Coach Ep · 23 Apr 2013, 12:40 (Ref:3238386)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

FIA-GT is walking back to the glory old times. The spirit flows in the paddock. Ratel won again.

Nah, no races in the UK, Germany or Italy, only 5 races with a 2,5 month break between the first 2 rounds and the last one still TBA, only 1 fulltime Ferrari and no Porsches and Aston Martins at all on the grid - I can hardly call that a success...

zanfo zanfagni · 23 Apr 2013, 14:00 (Ref:3238429)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

FIA-GT is walking back to the glory old times. The spirit flows in the paddock. Ratel won again.

seriously, 2013 fia gt roster is made by just a pair of true pro teams and a lot of teams that come from national pro-am championships.
2012 = less cars but more quality
2013 = less quality but more cars

urdragon · 23 Apr 2013, 15:49 (Ref:3238462)

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Originally Posted by zanfo zanfagni

2012 = less cars but more quality
2013 = less quality but more cars

Wow, Now i see i'm not the only one to notice this, even adding Reiter.

GT3.14 · 23 Apr 2013, 16:40 (Ref:3238483)

Can't say I am enthusiastic about this series anymore. It is even worse than last year. If it wasn't for Loeb's involvement I probably could not be bothered.

I find British GT, GT-Tour, and ADAC GT far more interesting. Even Supercar Challenge and BRCC were more appealing to me than FIA GT when I was considering a trip down to Zolder this past weekend.

Speed-King · 23 Apr 2013, 16:41 (Ref:3238485)

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Originally Posted by urdragon

Wow, Now i see i'm not the only one to notice this, even adding Reiter.

You know what... I don't care one bit if the racing is as great as last weekend...

And really, FIA GT was a pro/am series most of the time even in the "good old days" ten years ago. Sure, there were a handfull of all pro lineups in each class, but the rest was strictly pro/am... heck Gabriel Gardel even managed to win the whole thing in 2005.

zanfo zanfagni · 23 Apr 2013, 16:45 (Ref:3238486)

I still see team reiter like a pro-am team, a small engineering tuner that run their own cars with as main and only pro driver kox and a lot of paying drivers. The only real pro teams now in my opinion are WRT and loeb racing. Other teams like novadriver, bmw brazilian tem, dorr are teams that come from national championships, dragged someway by ratel in the fia gt series. Last year there were less cars but hexis, vita4one and all-inkl (the best top3 afterall) abscence can't be replaced by 10 pro-am teams.

Speed-King · 23 Apr 2013, 16:50 (Ref:3238487)

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Originally Posted by zanfo zanfagni

I still see team reiter like a pro-am team, a small engineering tuner that run their own cars with as main and only pro driver kox and a lot of paying drivers. The only real pro teams now in my opinion are WRT and loeb racing. Other teams like novadriver, bmw brazilian tem, dorr are teams that come from national championships, dragged someway by ratel in the fia gt series. Last year there were less cars but hexis, vita4one and all-inkl (the best top3 afterall) abscence can't be replaced by 10 pro-am teams.

My point is that it really doesn't have to. As they say it, it takes two cars to make a race. Five or six are better - and we get just about that. But to me it really doesn't make much of a difference if it's all-pros or pro/ams that are battling for 10th place... especially seeing how racing is a sport where raw talent alone is almost never enough to make it. Everyone has paid their way to where they are, some just stopped, while others haven't.

hondafan37 · 23 Apr 2013, 16:57 (Ref:3238496)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Nah, no races in the UK, Germany or Italy, only 5 races with a 2,5 month break between the first 2 rounds and the last one still TBA, only 1 fulltime Ferrari and no Porsches and Aston Martins at all on the grid - I can hardly call that a success...

I think as you.
In my point of view Ratel should have included the BES races into FIA GT. Then the calendar have 11 races, and several prestigious races.
The union is strength!!!

Speed-King · 23 Apr 2013, 16:58 (Ref:3238497)

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Originally Posted by hondafan37

I think as you.
In my point of view Ratel should have included the BES races into FIA GT. Then the calendar have 11 races, and several prestigious races.
The union is strength!!!

He had proposed that last year... no interest from the teams' side...

urdragon · 23 Apr 2013, 17:51 (Ref:3238518)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

And really, FIA GT was a pro/am series most of the time even in the "good old days" ten years ago. Sure, there were a handfull of all pro lineups in each class, but the rest was strictly pro/am... heck Gabriel Gardel even managed to win the whole thing in 2005.

For me and lots of others that's not what defines the series, that was those years machines, i would sign now the 2012 grid numbers with the 2010 machines (MC12 or not) with the 2010 or 2012 teams.

For me the proam (High level fia GT series pro-am 2013 (they wanted to list mayr menhof as an am) ) difference to all pro is as useless as the Sprints to BES series time format, basically both is the same. I personally don't need gentleman, basically because that was BES purpose.

urdragon · 23 Apr 2013, 18:10 (Ref:3238523)

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Originally Posted by zanfo zanfagni

Last year there were less cars but hexis, vita4one and all-inkl (the best top3 afterall) abscence can't be replaced by 10 pro-am teams.

That's Accuracy! Don't forget Jarvis at Audi, but Rast is good too. Loeb may be at level of Mako someday, but Yelmer buurman is at the toppest BES team there is no replacement, Bartels and the 4 winner PROs are also better than what we have. Maybe shines the Buncombe-ordoñez, and the GT3 euro winners.

urdragon · 23 Apr 2013, 18:18 (Ref:3238526)

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Originally Posted by hondafan37

I think as you.
In my point of view Ratel should have included the BES races into FIA GT. Then the calendar have 11 races, and several prestigious races.
The union is strength!!!

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

He had proposed that last year... no interest from the teams' side...

Too much $$$ I don't think we are seeing +7 rounds until BES is highly famous or there is a massive TV coverage at channels like Eurosport and some American OPEN Sport channels, which maybe are linked to those ROI in marketing increase.

Seems anyway Ratel will NOT increase BES, so he obviuslly plans to work on sprint series sharing BES success but those tracks aren't F1 mithic ones like in BES. I think he plans increase the grid so he can pay (Sharing between 40 cars) those tracks and then switch to a better calendar step by step and then international. But that's what I would do only.

IndyMeister · 24 Apr 2013, 09:56 (Ref:3238803)

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Originally Posted by urdragon

Seems anyway Ratel will NOT increase BES, so he obviuslly plans to work on sprint series sharing BES success but those tracks aren't F1 mithic ones like in BES. I think he plans increase the grid so he can pay (Sharing between 40 cars) those tracks and then switch to a better calendar step by step and then international. But that's what I would do only.

I read somewhere that the circuits of GT1 WC and now FIA GT were picked because of their facility size: medium lenght (to look good for a 'normal' number of cars) und not too many grand-stands (easier to fill). And furthermore it was the wish to have the GT events as annual highlights. Maybe it was more PR strategy than anything else because there are contrasting statements from 2010...

But anyway: I personally like to have some diversity even if it means that Monza, Silverstone, Spa and the N'ring have one race weekend less per year. But those circuits seem to arouse interest: RTL (German mainstream teelevision) began its BES broadcast with a praise of Monza and not with the series itself.

urdragon · 24 Apr 2013, 10:21 (Ref:3238816)

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Originally Posted by IndyMeister

But anyway: I personally like to have some diversity even if it means that Monza, Silverstone, Spa and the N'ring have one race weekend less per year. But those circuits seem to arouse interest: RTL (German mainstream teelevision) began its BES broadcast with a praise of Monza and not with the series itself.

What I wonder is why succesfully teams like Hexis or JRM chose BES in front of Sprint series, in my opinion with todays configuration of the sprint series only those tracks "Legend" must be the reason, why do this big teams like to run champ with Gentlemans and Am's which seem to look less professionally focused, In terms of stands crowdness probably the BES except for spa has similar figures like monza proved, and both are streamed so there is no difference at all with this question.

I've think about more interesting big circuits round Europe for when the sprint series grow, like Barcelona (Montmelo), or the Red bull ring, hungaroring , or even moscow, but what i would love to see would be GT's at Monaco.

Interesting the data about RTL.

rich07 · 24 Apr 2013, 10:43 (Ref:3238827)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

You know what... I don't care one bit if the racing is as great as last weekend...

Sure, there were a handfull of all pro lineups in each class, but the rest was strictly pro/am... heck Gabriel Gardel even managed to win the whole thing in 2005.

Gardel is handy but he couldnt have done it without the Pourteguese master, Pedro Lamy, 2005 saw some awesome driving from him, he shouldve shared the championship with Gardel if he hadnt raced with Aston at Silverstone and Spa.

Its great to see Pro Am pairings like that.

Is Stefan Rosina a pro or gentleman? He did very well to hold off a very determined Lawrence Vanthoor at Zolder on the weekend.

Speed-King · 24 Apr 2013, 11:06 (Ref:3238837)

Well, Rosina was 3rd in the Porsche Supercup 2009, finishing ahead of drivers such as Patrick Huisman or Damien Faulkner... However, PSC 2009 didn't have a lot of full season entrants, so I'm not sure how much that's worth.

He came in in 8th and 9th in 2010 and 2011, each time leaving behind him some seasoned pros like Huisman and Maassen. So all in all I'd say, he's a pro - or he at least hast the speed to be one.

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