New small and family cars

[NaBUru38]

Mini Cooper EV

180-250 hp electric motors, 40-54 kWh battery

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Smart #3

4.45 m long

270-420 hp electric motors, 66 kWh battery

Regular size like for example Opel Astra, no more small cars for Smart?

[NaBUru38]

Cheap electric cars aren't profitable, I've read.

[NaBUru38]

Opel / Vauxhall Corsa (facelift)

75-135 hp gasoline engines
135-155 hp electric motors, 50 kWh battery

[NaBUru38]

Lexus LBX

4.20 m long

1.5L 135 hp hybrid gasoline engine

[Mike Harte]

Surely that comes under the category of a SUV?

And it seems that more and more car designers just seem to copy Range/Land Rover Evoque style.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

Surely that comes under the category of a SUV?

And it seems that more and more car designers just seem to copy Range/Land Rover Evoque style.

It's marketed as a 'compact SUV' so I guess both an SUV and a family car?

[FIRE]

Doesn't look like a Lexus.

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by FIRE

Doesn't look like a Lexus.

The lower grill does though

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

The lower grill does though

But the missing upper part makes it so Lexus-like.

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by FIRE

Doesn't look like a Lexus.

That's part of the problem now - everything looks the same. If you do try and make your vehicles look different you just end up with awful grilles (BMW). That Lexus could be anything - if you told me it was a Renault, Peugeot or Hyundai I wouldn't have any reason to doubt it.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

That's part of the problem now - everything looks the same. If you do try and make your vehicles look different you just end up with awful grilles (BMW). That Lexus could be anything - if you told me it was a Renault, Peugeot or Hyundai I wouldn't have any reason to doubt it.

Hence my post saying that all the manufacturers seem to be copying the Evoque which I believe was the original design.

[FIRE]

My first reaction would be: it's a Citroen (or DS).

[S griffin]

Haven't heard much from Citroen, but it could well be DS. We know how much they like that range

[ScotsBrutesFan]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

That's part of the problem now - everything looks the same. If you do try and make your vehicles look different you just end up with awful grilles (BMW). That Lexus could be anything - if you told me it was a Renault, Peugeot or Hyundai I wouldn't have any reason to doubt it.

To be honest this is only going to get worse with formation of Stellantis, Under that title there is something like 12 different car brands, that will all be sharing modular components and parts.

Styling quirks will be the primary way to tell the brands apart at a glance.

[Gerard C]

Originally Posted by ScotsBrutesFan

Styling quirks will be the primary way to tell the brands apart at a glance.

Quite a challenge. 14 brands if my reading is correct.
"Stellantis is a constellation of 14 iconic automotive brands and two mobility arms that are about more than transportation: they're about moving people and making connections."

https://www.stellantis.com/en/company/about-us

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by Gerard C

Quite a challenge. 14 brands if my reading is correct.
"Stellantis is a constellation of 14 iconic automotive brands and two mobility arms that are about more than transportation: they're about moving people and making connections."

https://www.stellantis.com/en/company/about-us

This is in no way directed to Gérard but at the meaningless rubbish that is used by companies and politicians in particular. Stellantis is a manufacturer of cars and other modes of transportation that is all about moving people and so they are a means of connecting people and things. That statement is a load of b*llocks!

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

This is in no way directed to Gérard but at the meaningless rubbish that is used by companies and politicians in particular. Stellantis is a manufacturer of cars and other modes of transportation that is all about moving people and so they are a means of connecting people and things. That statement is a load of b*llocks!

More accurate:

"Stellantis is a blob of 14 automotive brands and two other things that are about more than transportation: they're about making money."

[Gerard C]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

"Stellantis is a blob of 14 automotive brands and two other things that are about more than transportation: they're about making money."

As an European I can tell you that when Pug has to join Fiat to keep the whole mess floating it means bad weather for both! We already had Renault trying to kill Nissan, what's next? Aurus Senat and Dacia may be…
Hope they'll use Google translate to go from "bordel intégral" to "grande casino"!

[NaBUru38]

Fiat 600

4.17 m long, 1.52 m tall

154 hp electric motor, 51 kWh battery
11 kW AC charging, 100 kW DC charging

Hybrid powertrains to be confirmed in select markets





Those headlights look a bit stoned.

[Gerard C]

Its what designers call a smile and a pleasant-faced car. The French twingo had this. Do you remember the cover they made fort the first examples of the new 500 generation? Nice trompe l'oeil it was.

[joeb]

That reminds me of this:

[Gerard C]

Yep. Many of our first generation Twingos had those fitted. Not really pop-up!

[NaBUru38]

Renault Scénic E-Tech (concept)




Basically a long-wheelbase Mégane.

[NaBUru38]

Kia K3

4.55 m long

120-150 hp gasoline engines