ALMS Rnd 11: Petit Le Mans 3-6 Oct 2007 - Page 15

Marcel ten Caat · 7 Oct 2007, 09:32 (Ref:2033688)

Part of the race?

The Audi lost a huge lead twice in a pit stop. Nevertheless the numerous safetycar meant a thrilling race all the way from start to finish.

Spyderman · 7 Oct 2007, 10:07 (Ref:2033737)

Yes it was thrilling.
Especially since Audi has a car that is capable of starting dead last and getting to the front of the field within 35 laps! (that includes overtaking all P2 and P1 opponents) ;-)

minimangler · 7 Oct 2007, 10:16 (Ref:2033747)

personally, i'm glad Audi won- P1 should beat P2, that's the point. It's about time P2 was reigned in, imo.
Hope Bertollini is OK, sounds like a failure, Andrea wouldn't have an accident like that one on his own!

SebringMG · 7 Oct 2007, 10:43 (Ref:2033778)

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Originally Posted by Spyderman

Yes it was thrilling.
Especially since Audi has a car that is capable of starting dead last and getting to the front of the field within 35 laps! (that includes overtaking all P2 and P1 opponents) ;-)

And you don't think the Spyder would have done the same thing ?
Very good race!! GT2 battle was fascinating! MOst impressive performance by the Zytek team, car was quicker than the works Acuras (except when Jan Charouz was driving)-Danny Watts was superb!

Go Flying Lizard !!

minimangler · 7 Oct 2007, 10:46 (Ref:2033782)

Jan Charouz is OK, but Mucke et al were top.

Us Brits have something to be proud of!

brielga · 7 Oct 2007, 11:42 (Ref:2033827)

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Originally Posted by minimangler

Jan Charouz is OK, but Mucke et al were top.

Us Brits have something to be proud of!

I told you the Zyteks would do good

minimangler · 7 Oct 2007, 11:51 (Ref:2033841)

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Originally Posted by brielga

I told you the Zyteks would do good

But they didn't win, did they

Still- impressive pick!

AU N EGL · 7 Oct 2007, 12:24 (Ref:2033887)

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Originally Posted by minimangler

personally, i'm glad Audi won- P1 should beat P2, that's the point. It's about time P2 was reigned in, imo.
Hope Bertollini is OK, sounds like a failure, Andrea wouldn't have an accident like that one on his own!

It was interesting, the two cars lap about the same speeds. The R10 was just shy of 190 mph ( 306 kph) on the back straight, and the Spyder was about 15 mph slower, ~ 175 mph, ( 282 kph ) yet the Spyder, smaller and lighter was quicker in the curvers.

littleman · 7 Oct 2007, 12:46 (Ref:2033905)

Brilliant job by the Zytec LMP2 team. They need to find 1 second a lap to truly challenge the RS Spyder and also need to give some serious thought to that alternator installation.It's cost them a certain 3rd place overall at both Silverstone and Atlanta.

Mike_Wooshy · 7 Oct 2007, 12:50 (Ref:2033909)

So am I right in thinking the P2 Porsche now have an Invite to Le Mans ?

minimangler · 7 Oct 2007, 13:24 (Ref:2033946)

That was odd.

posted something and it showed it loads of times

then created a new page.

how odd.

anyway, penske have had an LM entry for 2 years i think, and only don't take it up cause they're scared of losing.

same reason they're not in P1, IMO.

**skycafe** · 7 Oct 2007, 14:08 (Ref:2033980)

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Originally Posted by AU N EGL

It was interesting, the two cars lap about the same speeds. The R10 was just shy of 190 mph ( 306 kph) on the back straight, and the Spyder was about 15 mph slower, ~ 175 mph, ( 282 kph ) yet the Spyder, smaller and lighter was quicker in the curvers.

It is kinda like sports car racing!

Watching the in-car and outside with Dumas, his neck does takes a pounding! He has some helmet aero applied, seemingly not enough,and I can't believe how much punishment he takes with his head being batted around like a ball on a string.

I have not seen any of the other Spyder drivers have that much difficulty. He seems to earn his pay check.

robert

NightStalk3r · 7 Oct 2007, 14:27 (Ref:2033991)

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Originally Posted by minimangler

That was odd.

posted something and it showed it loads of times

then created a new page.

how odd.

anyway, penske have had an LM entry for 2 years i think, and only don't take it up cause they're scared of losing.

same reason they're not in P1, IMO.

or it could be the fact that the ACO dont allow factory teams in P2, mabe, mabe, just mabe.

AU N EGL · 7 Oct 2007, 14:45 (Ref:2034003)

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Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

or it could be the fact that the ACO dont allow factory teams in P2, mabe, mabe, just mabe.

Or it could have been that Mr Penske told Porsche that if you want the Penske Team of Spyders to race at 2007 LM24, YOU ( Porsche ) need to put up the $1,000,000 for the team to spend a month in France. If not I am too busy with my other race teams in the months of May and June.

It will be interesting to see what happens for 2008.

Roger Penske is NEVER afraid of a challenge. He is a very skillful business man.

broadrun96 · 7 Oct 2007, 14:56 (Ref:2034017)

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Originally Posted by Mike_Wooshy

So am I right in thinking the P2 Porsche now have an Invite to Le Mans ?

After this PLM I believe they do but have said will not accept without cash from Porsche. I think last year the LMP2s weren't completely to ACO spec and so the invitation was not offered, I'm sure somebody will remember the specifics better then I have, believe it was weight related though. And who knows about next year if IMSA will mandate the next weight increase and allow the Acura teams to put in a good display at Sebring and maybe get an invite.

brielga · 7 Oct 2007, 15:47 (Ref:2034054)

Quote:

Originally Posted by minimangler

That was odd.

posted something and it showed it loads of times

then created a new page.

how odd.

anyway, penske have had an LM entry for 2 years i think, and only don't take it up cause they're scared of losing.

same reason they're not in P1, IMO.

With this kind of posting you stimulate the opening of the 2nd global "bash the mangler" week. I think it is great that you have an opinion but you need to know that "scared of losing" is not a parameter by which experienced and proven sports- and businessmen like Roger Penske take decisions. inform yourself about his campaign in endurance in 1971, maybe you'll learn something.

Grow up. This is not about some kids game as you will (maybe) find out in a few years.

brielga · 7 Oct 2007, 16:25 (Ref:2034083)

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Originally Posted by AU N EGL

Or it could have been that Mr Penske told Porsche that if you want the Penske Team of Spyders to race at 2007 LM24, YOU ( Porsche ) need to put up the $1,000,000 for the team to spend a month in France. If not I am too busy with my other race teams in the months of May and June.

It will be interesting to see what happens for 2008.

Roger Penske is NEVER afraid of a challenge. He is a very skillful business man.

right on.. that's the story.

Hammerdown · 7 Oct 2007, 17:48 (Ref:2034172)

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Originally Posted by I love 04s

Hell of car indeed.....only thing I can see challenging the 2 or 3 Spyders coming to the LMS next year....

Think Embassy might have something to say about that!

We'll see.

Svierge · 7 Oct 2007, 18:36 (Ref:2034217)

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Originally Posted by minimangler

anyway, penske have had an LM entry for 2 years i think, and only don't take it up cause they're scared of losing.

same reason they're not in P1, IMO.

Good grief, you've not been following motorsport for long, have you? To even consider that Roger Penske and Porsche are scared of losing is just stupid. Are you aware of how much winning those two have done during the last 35 years or so (both individually and together)?

The reason Porsche isn't in LMP1 is well documented - and nothing to do with fear of losing.

I'm really pleased that Porsche is doing customer LMP2s. It's like the good old days of 956/962, where the customer would buy a car they knew would be both fast and reliable. All great news.

The Badger · 7 Oct 2007, 20:20 (Ref:2034295)

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Originally Posted by I love 04s

Hell of car indeed.....only thing I can see challenging the 2 or 3 Spyders coming to the LMS next year....

The 2 RS Spyder's , im not expecting much from them cuz they have 1 gentleman driver in each car !!!

We see in the ALMS that you need 2 pro's to get that car to work .

How good would the Penske cars be with a gentleman driver in each ..... wouldnt feature at all imho .

minimangler · 7 Oct 2007, 23:11 (Ref:2034461)

Addressed to all;

I know Porsche and Penske are very experienced, and have many victories between them; and surely a Le Mans win is worth the money that Penske ask, so if Penkse isn't scared, which i admit i am wrong in suggesting, then why do Porsche refuse to pay the cash?

chewymonster · 7 Oct 2007, 23:37 (Ref:2034481)

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Originally Posted by minimangler

Addressed to all;

I know Porsche and Penske are very experienced, and have many victories between them; and surely a Le Mans win is worth the money that Penske ask, so if Penkse isn't scared, which i admit i am wrong in suggesting, then why do Porsche refuse to pay the cash?

"Spyder was about 15 mph slower"

I think Le Mans has some longer straights.

Also, I think the longer the Spyder engine needs to run, the lower the rpm it puts out. The less performance it has.

HORNDAWG · 7 Oct 2007, 23:56 (Ref:2034494)

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Originally Posted by minimangler

Addressed to all;

I know Porsche and Penske are very experienced, and have many victories between them; and surely a Le Mans win is worth the money that Penske ask, so if Penkse isn't scared, which i admit i am wrong in suggesting, then why do Porsche refuse to pay the cash?

Did you watch Petit? Did you see the performance difference on the back straight? Now magnify that for the amount of highspeed there is at LeMans and you should have your answer.

L.P.

davehenrie · 8 Oct 2007, 01:15 (Ref:2034510)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Did you watch Petit? Did you see the performance difference on the back straight? Now magnify that for the amount of highspeed there is at LeMans and you should have your answer.

L.P.

Don't get caught in the trap of just considering the Porsche vs the Audi. Clearly the Diesel had the legs on even the Judd powered Creation. But the various other P1's also had some top end advantage over the P2's. The Lola Aer seemed to be paticularly quick down the Backstretch. However, I don't recall seeing any of the other P2's even the Acuras outdrag the Spyders. So to compare the P2 performance, then clearly the Pugs and Audis will fly away. As would probably any Judd powered P1. But the Zytek LMP2 and the Acura P2s were both ever so slightly off the pace of both the Penske AND the Dyson Porsches.

**Bentley03** · 8 Oct 2007, 05:05 (Ref:2034599)

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Originally Posted by Hammerdown

Think Embassy might have something to say about that!

We'll see.

I was thinking exactly the same thing myself!

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