Grp C/Grp A/V8SC 'Where are they now?' continued... - Page 151

Rosso Corsa · 6 Jul 2011, 11:48 (Ref:2922797)

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Originally Posted by brown dog

I respectfully disagree with the previous two posts.

AFAIK there were no Holdens that were converted from Gp.A cars to the new 5 litre spec. class. The 1993> rules for the "new 5 litre V8 class" were quite different to anything previous, and the lineage from these 1993 cars to the current V8SC is quite evident.

Hmmm that commodor that is sitting in the garrage with log books from 91 to 2000 must be a mirage...

E36ST · 6 Jul 2011, 20:24 (Ref:2923030)

Which Commodore is that?

OZ_HCR32 · 7 Jul 2011, 08:20 (Ref:2923175)

Pretty sure the 05 Brock VN was changed to VP, HRT definitely updated one of their VN Grp A cars tro VP.

Then there is stories of the Lansvale Smach Grp A VN going all the way through to VR???? Highly doubt all the VPs running around were built from scratch rather then covnerted VNs. I know loads of the VPs went to VR/VS specs

GroupA Dave · 7 Jul 2011, 08:20 (Ref:2923174)

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Originally Posted by one five five

What Rover Vitesse ran in Group C?

Milton Leslight ran one in Group E with the ambition of running it in Group C, but the project never got that far.

Chris Heyer's Audi, plus a couple of Dolomites, Escorts and Capri's were all grandfathered into Group A as well during 1985/1986.

Quite right, the Leslight Rover remained as a Group E car. Also, I'm not sure why the same fellow thinks that the Mustang and Starion ran as Group C cars. They only ever ran as Group A cars, starting in 1984.

As well as the Audi, Dolomite, Escort and Capri that you mention, I can add a few more.

The yellow "Unleaded" RX7 at Bathurst in 1985 had been converted from a Group C car.
The von Bayern JPS 635 at Bathurst in 1984 had also been both Group C and A.
Gulson's Alfetta GTV6 ran in both categories.
The ex Williamson, ex Daily Planet Celica ended up as a white Group A car in Victoria.
The Highway Patrol and Roadways VKs from Bathurst 1984 were both converted to Group A cars for 1985.
John Goss ran the Jaguar XJS in both categories too.

Can anyone add to this list?

Adrian B · 7 Jul 2011, 13:32 (Ref:2923299)

As well as the Audi, Dolomite, Escort and Capri that you mention, I can add a few more.

The yellow "Unleaded" RX7 at Bathurst in 1985 had been converted from a Group C car.
The von Bayern JPS 635 at Bathurst in 1984 had also been both Group C and A.
Gulson's Alfetta GTV6 ran in both categories.
The ex Williamson, ex Daily Planet Celica ended up as a white Group A car in Victoria.
The Highway Patrol and Roadways VKs from Bathurst 1984 were both converted to Group A cars for 1985.
John Goss ran the Jaguar XJS in both categories too.

Can anyone add to this list?[/QUOTE]

The JPS 635 driven by von Bayern/Hulme at Bathurst in 1984 was never a Group C car. Built new as a Group A car for this race and then used in 1985 by Jim Richards. You are confusing it with the Group C car used in the 1984 race that was later converted to Gp A at the end of the season and used by Neville Crichton in early 1985 then sold to Jim Keogh.

Senna05 · 8 Jul 2011, 15:44 (Ref:2923719)

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Originally Posted by Rosso Corsa

Hmmm that commodor that is sitting in the garrage with log books from 91 to 2000 must be a mirage...

I will try and dig up and scan an August 1992 Auto Action that has pictures of a HRT VN with VP wing and splitter attached, complete with the VN front guards and headlights. The test was done at the Calder Park Thunderdome.

The article mentions that HRT's lack of funding meant that the VN's would be converted to VP, and that the Advantage (Mobil 1 Racing) outfit was in the same situation. Without too much digging, legend has it that before HRT made a second 1996 "supercar", Brock's 1996 VR was one of these aged VN's.

On the falcon side, you could say that the heart and brains of at least one or two Sierra's went into Moffat's Cenovis EB falcon as well in 1993, before upgrading several components to full Group 3A specs.

brown dog · 8 Jul 2011, 20:46 (Ref:2923931)

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Originally Posted by Senna05

I will try and dig up and scan an August 1992 Auto Action that has pictures of a HRT VN with VP wing and splitter attached, complete with the VN front guards and headlights. The test was done at the Calder Park Thunderdome.

The article mentions that HRT's lack of funding meant that the VN's would be converted to VP, and that the Advantage (Mobil 1 Racing) outfit was in the same situation. Without too much digging, legend has it that before HRT made a second 1996 "supercar", Brock's 1996 VR was one of these aged VN's.

On the falcon side, you could say that the heart and brains of at least one or two Sierra's went into Moffat's Cenovis EB falcon as well in 1993, before upgrading several components to full Group 3A specs.

Okay I stand corrected on the Commodore thing, obviously a few more exceptions that straddled both classifications. HRT must have fitted the Chevy engine at the same time too. Brock ran a 1993 spec. car at Wellington/Pukekohe in late 1992 for the Nissan Mobil 500 races. (VP I think? They all look the same to me)

How so on the Cenovis Falcon bearing any connection to the Sierra? Surely not in a mechanical sense?
I have the interview somewhere from Bathurst 1993, with Chris Economaki (sp?) interviewing Allan Moffat, in front of the Cenovis EB with the bonnet up. Allan Moffat proudly boasting the virtues of the carburettor they were running, vs. the fuel injection of everyone else, and how much money they had saved etc. The car was a dog that year, and eventually retired, I think with a broken gearbox. It reappeared next year with injection fitted.

brown dog · 8 Jul 2011, 20:52 (Ref:2923935)

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Senna05 · 9 Jul 2011, 01:24 (Ref:2924003)

Brown dog, I'll admit I was probably drawing a long string on the Falcon, but it certainly was less of a Falcon than the DJR and GSR one's.

http://www.allanmoffat.com.au/again/cars_ebfalcon.htm

It does outline on this page that "The gearbox, along with a lot of the other components including brakes, diff, fuel delivery system, and coolers were all ex-Sierra, while the wheels were sourced from Glenn Seton Racing." Thats certainly alot of sierra!

brown dog · 9 Jul 2011, 01:47 (Ref:2924005)

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Originally Posted by Senna05

Brown dog, I'll admit I was probably drawing a long string on the Falcon, but it certainly was less of a Falcon than the DJR and GSR one's.

http://www.allanmoffat.com.au/again/cars_ebfalcon.htm

It does outline on this page that "The gearbox, along with a lot of the other components including brakes, diff, fuel delivery system, and coolers were all ex-Sierra, while the wheels were sourced from Glenn Seton Racing." Thats certainly alot of sierra!

Yep fair call, thats a bit of Sierra gear! And although the Cenovis EB was a bit of a lemon as far as performance goes, it was probably the standout livery of that year with black and dayglo green!

Anyone know what the regs for the "new" 5 litre class were as far as wheels go? The eye-crometer suggests that Seton may have been running 18" wheels on the PJ Falcon.

anthony81901 · 11 Jul 2011, 11:54 (Ref:2925036)

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Originally Posted by Senna05

Without too much digging, legend has it that before HRT made a second 1996 "supercar", Brock's 1996 VR was one of these aged VN's.

HRT had disposed of its VNs by 1996 with all 3 appearing at Bathurst that year. Brock raced chassis 032 in 1996 the car he had debuted at Oran Park the previous year. After it was damaged in the opening round at Eastern Creek he reverted to 030 (the 1994 built VP) for the Sandown round before 032 returned.

adz_34 · 11 Jul 2011, 22:57 (Ref:2925340)

This might be a tad obscure, but anyone know what happened to the Toyota MR2's that contested the 1994 12 hour race at Bathurst. Specifically the cars piloted by Juan Manuel Fangio II and the John Smith/Bargwanna car?

I know this is off topic, but as the initial starter of this thread I would rather see an all in like it is rather than split.

Cheers adz_34

Axeman444 · 11 Jul 2011, 23:12 (Ref:2925345)

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Originally Posted by adz_34

I know this is off topic, but as the initial starter of this thread I would rather see an all in like it is rather than split.

Cheers adz_34

well if that's not an reason to keep the thread as is, i don't know what is

Mixer · 12 Jul 2011, 00:08 (Ref:2925349)

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Originally Posted by Axeman444

well if that's not an reason to keep the thread as is, i don't know what is

Cracking, never a boring post in this thread

David Towe · 12 Jul 2011, 09:54 (Ref:2925466)

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Originally Posted by Axeman444

well if that's not an reason to keep the thread as is, i don't know what is

On the other hand, one might say that is a perfect example of why the thread should be split.

Driver TBA · 12 Jul 2011, 12:06 (Ref:2925526)

Quote:

Originally Posted by adz_34

I know this is off topic, but as the initial starter of this thread I would rather see an all in like it is rather than split.
Cheers adz_34

Great to see the thread starter has such an OPEN mind!

Back on topic.

Have the Bowden's completed (or started) Dick Johnson's 93 Bathurst crashed EB Falcon? I believe it was going to be rebuilt as the 94 Bathurst winning car.

aj_308 · 16 Jul 2011, 08:13 (Ref:2927336)

This is going to be a pretty hard job unless you want to say "anything under 5L in one thread, and anything over in another"

Or perhaps a cut out anything post 1997?? (birthdate of current V8Supercars?)

Didn't Everlast Automotive run a VL in the 1995 Tooheys 1000? I think that was later converted to VR spec as well.
Thats my guess at being the oldest of the new era V8's.

kittle · 18 Jul 2011, 11:35 (Ref:2928052)

I say let's just get on with it.

Bathurst winning Falcon forsale.

http://www.ecurieinvestments.com.au/bathurst-winning-ford-falcon

Looks like a nice collection of cars Craig Harris has in the back ground.

Camaroz · 21 Jul 2011, 23:33 (Ref:2929646)

Groups C & A have been announced as a support category at the AGP.

**GTRMagic** · 21 Jul 2011, 23:34 (Ref:2929648)

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Originally Posted by Camaroz

Groups c & A have been announced as a support category at the AGP.

I saw that... is it a demonstration run, or a genuine race?

**GTRMagic** · 21 Jul 2011, 23:48 (Ref:2929653)

Sandown 1987?

chavez · 22 Jul 2011, 04:22 (Ref:2929673)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Sandown 1987?

If so, where are the bodyguards?

Amonfan · 22 Jul 2011, 04:49 (Ref:2929677)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Sandown 1987?

Calder Thunderdome pits?

Carter-Nelson · 22 Jul 2011, 04:51 (Ref:2929678)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

I saw that... is it a demonstration run, or a genuine race?

Hi everyone,
there will be a press release very soon that will detail everything we know.

As you can understand this oportunity will require allot of work and co-operation from many people. Once we have further details I will post the link so you can see what is happening.

Make sure you all organise to be at Philip Island historics and the AGP; they are only days apart. We, the drivers/owners, all want to met you, many ten-tenths forum contributors have provided photos and other detailed information that have assisted in with history and CofD for our cars.
Thanks,
Nev.

**GTRMagic** · 22 Jul 2011, 06:30 (Ref:2929693)

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Originally Posted by Amonfan

Calder Thunderdome pits?

Could be, after a shakedown run... Mr Crompton looks quite young there..

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