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Old 11 Aug 2016, 17:57 (Ref:3665190)   #3926
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AFAIK, PC's are just being made obsolete, not getting their own series.... am I wrong?

My assumption would be, that all classes would be at most races. They might choose to have some GT only races though... which would be fantastic too.
No PC is not being obsolesced. It is being moved to it's own new series combining it with the current 'IMSA Lites' L1 category. The FLM09 is being retired from IMSA competition and being replaced with the LMP3 class of cars as PC1.






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Old 11 Aug 2016, 18:13 (Ref:3665192)   #3927
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No PC is not being obsolesced. It is being moved to it's own new series combining it with the current 'IMSA Lites' L1 category. The FLM09 is being retired from IMSA competition and being replaced with the LMP3 class of cars as PC1.
FLM09's are being retired right? Isn't that being made obsolete?

They are essentially creating a new class, in a different series, out of the LMP3's....

Different class, of different cars, in a different series, with different rules... I can't see how that is being moved to it's own series.

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Old 11 Aug 2016, 18:21 (Ref:3665193)   #3928
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Because it's pro-am and entry level, that like totally makes it the same category.

It's like poetry, it rhymes.
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Old 11 Aug 2016, 18:22 (Ref:3665195)   #3929
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FLM09's are being retired right? Isn't that being made obsolete?

They are essentially creating a new class, in a different series, out of the LMP3's....

Different class, of different cars, in a different series, with different rules... I can't see how that is being moved to it's own series.

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Both are called Prototype Challenge.

Prototype Challenge in the IMSA WeatherTech series, to IMSA Prototype Challenge presented by Mazda.
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Old 11 Aug 2016, 18:31 (Ref:3665198)   #3930
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Can't believe there's still no official announcement from GM, or Mazda.
There will be no official announcements until the ACO publishes the 2017 regs which they haven't supposedly finalized yet. IMSA and their employees are not allowed to discuss anything related to DPi manufacturers either.

It's an odd situation that the manufacturers can't be happy about right now, but there have been submissions to IMSA that aren't just GM and Mazda.
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Both are called Prototype Challenge.

Prototype Challenge in the IMSA WeatherTech series, to IMSA Prototype Challenge presented by Mazda.
With Nissan engines.
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Both are called Prototype Challenge.

Prototype Challenge in the IMSA WeatherTech series, to IMSA Prototype Challenge presented by Mazda.
It's just arguing for arguings sake!

Prototype Challenge will indeed be carried forward, just within it's own series.





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With Nissan engines.
The PC2 (current L1) all run Mazda engines.









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The P3(PC1) cars will have the global P3 Nissan engine minus the badges.
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This thread went quite quick once facts are posted.
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Just becasue something is "presented" by someone, doesn't mean it will instantly be "all engines by"

The VK60, in P3 form could be re-baged to anything, just like the AER lumps, all share a similar liniage to older Mazda motors, which in turn shares a line to everything by Graham Dale Jones in the late 90's and early 2000's was an "IES" Motor, but, it was a Nissan block, What about Cosworth? They've rebranded a few too...

It doesn't matter.

Cars don't run on Patron just because the NAEC is presented by them..
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Just becasue something is "presented" by someone, doesn't mean it will instantly be "all engines by"

The VK60, in P3 form could be re-baged to anything, just like the AER lumps, all share a similar liniage to older Mazda motors, which in turn shares a line to everything by Graham Dale Jones in the late 90's and early 2000's was an "IES" Motor, but, it was a Nissan block, What about Cosworth? They've rebranded a few too...

It doesn't matter.

Cars don't run on Patron just because the NAEC is presented by them..
Patron makes engines now? Kewl. It's just sort of funny the Mazda part will be the cars no one really cares about. Let's be honest.
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It's just sort of funny the Mazda part will be the cars no one really cares about. Let's be honest.
Except for yourself it appears...
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After seeing the 24 hours of spa. i would love to see Renger Van der Zande get out of those LMPCs and drive a Mercedes AMG in WeatherTech. I did not know until Spa that he was a Mercedes driver. And his car performed well too.
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After seeing the 24 hours of spa. i would love to see Renger Van der Zande get out of those LMPCs and drive a Mercedes AMG in WeatherTech. I did not know until Spa that he was a Mercedes driver. And his car performed well too.
He ran with HTP at the Nurburgring 24h and only lost the win on the last lap. Great race and incredible finish. He's had quite a year this year.
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It might be odd to find that it was IMSA that's had the most diverse cast of GT3 all along in America if it keeps going at this rate.

They might have to have try out some GT3 only races just to check the interest.

I'm not worried about P right now. it was always meant to have a low car count at the beginning.
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It might be odd to find that it was IMSA that's had the most diverse cast of GT3 all along in America if it keeps going at this rate.

They might have to have try out some GT3 only races just to check the interest.

I'm not worried about P right now. it was always meant to have a low car count at the beginning.
The DPI car count is of little concern. But GTLM looks to be stable and GTD looks to increase and get more diverse. That is something to be excited about.
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Indeed, the DPi in 2017 year will be merely a proof of concept year.
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Well, MSR would be the "team owner", and GTD requires at least one pro-am driver on the driving squad. That'd only work out if say one of Realtime's drivers is above the age of 55 or HPD had someone over 55 or a rookie without a lot of sportscar experience in mind to join the team.

It all (MSR prototype) depends on of Pew will want to continue to fund the DPI team. He's the main reason Shank bought the Ligier in the first place, due to giving Mike most of the money for it's purchase from Onroak. He'll probably be in the prototype if HPD can hire a Silver Rated driver to put in the NSX (basically a rookie driver without a ton of sportscar experience, or a pro over the age of 55).

It has to be remembered, too, that though IMSA's driver ratings are broadly based on those used by the ACO/FIA for the WEC, IMSA also has scope for their own interpretation.
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Indeed, the DPi in 2017 year will be merely a proof of concept year.
Don't people say this every year of the series...
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Don't people say this every year of the series...
Waiting for, just wait for next year, since.....2009 Or whatever year it is now...
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