Grp C/Grp A/V8SC 'Where are they now?' continued...

[one five five]

Originally Posted by jd yort

Kevin Clarke's Mustang became a Sports Sedan. He had two Sports Sedans, I think it is his current one that is for sale that was the old Grp A car.

the Clarke Mustang was originally the Don Smith car wasn't it?

Wally Kramer's car went to Queensland in 1987 for Bruce Smith (raced it at the last meeting at Surfers Paradise)

[David Towe]

One of the Pinepac cars had a big one at morgan Park last year, so big I thought it was a write off, but apparently it went to NZ to be repaired.

[Carter-Nelson]

Hi David,
I also heard it was being rebuilt in NZ, I hope its back soon...its good to see a well driven Mustang taking it to the 'Big' cars.

Nev.

[Redzone]

Pics were posted on the group c forum a while back of it all repaired, apparently done by the same guys that originally built it iirc

[Sultan]

Originally Posted by David Towe

One of the Pinepac cars had a big one at morgan Park last year, so big I thought it was a write off, but apparently it went to NZ to be repaired.

But I guess that now puts it in the 'reshelled so is it still a genuine' category? :-/

[Carter-Nelson]

Hi Sultan,
check out this GCTCC forum entry that details the car was sent back to NZ and rebuild but not reshelled...Fantastic news.
[mod]Sorry, links to other forums not allowed[/mod]

Nev.

[DAVID PATERSON]

I thought the Don Smith Mustang became one of the Pine Pac cars.....

Both Pine Pac Mustangs live in SE Qld. One is on the Gold Coast and for sale, in very good condition. Glenn Seton stuck it on pole at Lakeside last year, beating two Godzillas!

The other one had a big shunt testing at Morgan Park and as mentioned above was returned to it's original builder in NZ for repair. According to the owner, it wasn't reshelled. In order to preserve the car's originality, the shell was painstakingly repaired.

[prn 31]

Originally Posted by Carter-Nelson

The Lawrie Nelson car is CofDed ready and racing. Its first historic event was Clipsal 2005 and its last was Philip Island 2010.
I believe its the longest competing Group A car in the country, its first race was Sandown 500 1984 and its last was Adelaide AGP November 1992. I'm sure its the only (legal) Mustang with a 9", and the cool engine updates...none of the other cars completed in Group A after 1987 so they couldn't take advantage of the later updates.
If you are interested, it could find a new owner...its too hard to own and race 3 cars....

Nev.

Mustang homologation blunders deserve a thread of thread of its own!

The Mustang was never homologated with the Boss block, alloy heads or 9 inch differential. Nelson put them on the Mustang and CAMS turned a blind eye - by that time Ford had moved on to the Sierras and the Mustangs were no longer competitive.

Those unhomologated components have remained on the Nelson Mustang and as it raced like that in period I presume it will be CofD with those components.

[Carter-Nelson]

Originally Posted by prn 31

Mustang homologation blunders deserve a thread of thread of its own!

The Mustang was never homologated with the Boss block, alloy heads or 9 inch differential. Nelson put them on the Mustang and CAMS turned a blind eye - by that time Ford had moved on to the Sierras and the Mustangs were no longer competitive.

Those unhomologated components have remained on the Nelson Mustang and as it raced like that in period I presume it will be CofD with those components.

Hi Paul,
yeah, there were many challenges with the homologation of most models Mustangs, Commodores, Volvos, Starions, the list goes on.
Your other point about specific parts on the Mustang is more to do with CAMS updates that were made in late 1990-91 that gave the normally asperated cars freedoms to compete against the Turbo cars. Lawrie was the only competeing Mustang in Group A at that was able to take advantage of the oportunities. I'm sure the other cars may have updated to later spec parts but didn't take part in a Group A race that would allow the update with the best livery today.
This update meant the Walkies fitted eight throttle body intakes, extensively modified heads, Hollingers, etc. The 9" diffs were allowed in about 1988 for all big cars, there are many VK's, VL's & Sierra's with them.

The really good thing with the CAMS historic rules is the aligning of the livery and the mechanical specification. If the car ran later with updates but the earlier livery is the way you want to present the car you must back-date the mechanicals to align before getting a CofD.

As it was so it shall be is the historic mantra. I bought the car from Lawrie and the EO's have been through it (and me) a few times fine tuning everything. Its right and I'm sure it would be at the pointy end with a better driver.
I went to Lakeside last year and watched Glenn put Brett's Pine Pac Mustang in front of Terry's GTR at Lakeside. Bill was really fast at MCM last month, I think it shows a well prepared Mustang in the right hands is a real weapon. Do you agree?

Nev

[prn 31]

Hi Nev,

The Mustang was always considered to be a sweet handling car. The biggest problem was that it didn’t go…! I think when Lawrie first raced the Mustang they barely had 300hp.

How DJR managed to make their Mustangs competitive, well, let’s says those Zakspeed built cars had some interesting interpretations of the homologated specification…

Ford had a history of being lax with their homologation updates. I think the Mustang missed one or two dates and in any case they weren’t really interested, the factory were racing Sierra XR4Tis and the Cosworth was just around the corner.

I’m pretty sure that DJR pushed through the Harrop modified 9 inch diff housing for the Sierra, but I don’t believe they bothered with that for the Mustang, though I can’t see how they were able to put close to 400hp through the weak 8 inch diff...

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by prn 31

Hi Nev,

The Mustang was always considered to be a sweet handling car. The biggest problem was that it didn’t go…! I think when Lawrie first raced the Mustang they barely had 300hp.

How DJR managed to make their Mustangs competitive, well, let’s says those Zakspeed built cars had some interesting interpretations of the homologated specification…

Ford had a history of being lax with their homologation updates. I think the Mustang missed one or two dates and in any case they weren’t really interested, the factory were racing Sierra XR4Tis and the Cosworth was just around the corner.

Sorry to keep this a bit OT for a mo but yes it was pretty much the same story in Europe, CC Motorsport got one to go reasonably well in the 1983 ETCC with some decent money from Belga fags, but Ford weren't interested, I guess for 2 reasons: 1/ Sierra coming as you rightly say, and 2/ the car not being a European model - marketing had really taken a hold since the 60's when American muscle was actively sought for the BTCC - whereas in the 80's the win today sell tomorrow aspect would not have applied to the Mustang in the UK or Europe!!

It certainly wasn't suited to sprint racing but could've made a decent endurance car as Dicko showed in Australia.

The BTCC big class capacity limit didn't help either so CC junked the project at the end of '83 and went with BMW GB for 1984!

[twinwebbers]

Hi guys, I'm looking for some info on a Group A/C AE82 Corolla. I'm in the process of building an AE82 TwinCam for hillclimbs and simple club level motorsport and wanted to do a 'tribute' livery matching this car:



Also seen in this YouTube video at the Bathurst Museum.

Obviously if I do a 'tribute' livery I better know something about it, can anyone tell me a little history on the car.

Thanks a bunch in advance.

[mtpanorama]

Not quite V8 supercars, but look what has turned up.
The ex-PHR Mustang.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2002-Ford...#ht_500wt_1289

[jd yort]

Originally Posted by mtpanorama

Not quite V8 supercars, but look what has turned up.
The ex-PHR Mustang.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2002-Ford...#ht_500wt_1289

What an absolute mess it is. Did it turn up from the tip?

[Umai Naa]

Surely that's not the cage the car competed with.

[Mixer]

Hmm I know who bought both of those from PHR as I was spannering for him when he bought them.

Certainly something amiss there.

Did some research and found a pic of the car which has lost the white stripe at the rear, so I wonder if this is a spare shell or if the cars got split up. I was told at the time that both were bought:


geoff munday racing by palmenb, on Flickr

[David Towe]

I had a crack in this one a few years ago. I think it was the stablemate to the wreck in question but was in far beter condition.

[Crash Test]

What's the deal with that cage??

[mtpanorama]

Originally Posted by Crash Test

What's the deal with that cage??

It kinda looks like it might just be sitting in their, not bolted in. At least I hope so otherwise it is a very bad example of a cage.

[David Towe]

Did they wash the cage in hot water???

[rich07]

That cant be the cage-I cant see it passing scrutinering if that was originally in the Mustang.

[jd yort]

http://carsales.mobi/news/2012/sport...he-limit-33853

I thought there was only 2 Gibson HR31s?

[chavez]

Originally Posted by jd yort

http://carsales.mobi/news/2012/sport...he-limit-33853

I thought there was only 2 Gibson HR31s?

Didn't they start 3 cars in some races?

For Richards, Fury and Skaife. Oran Park '89 ATCC for example.

[b195]

There are three here, at Winton in 1989: (Jim Richards #2, George Fury #3 and some youngster called Mark Skaife #12...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ulgCnpFVI

[jd yort]

So was there only 3 in total? ie The sizzler and Netcomm cars were never GMS cars were they? I am speculating the Beaurepairs car was one of the latter 2.