IMSA USCC in 2016 and 2017

[Fogelhund]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

1999 ......

In fairness, those years of Porsche and Acura in P2, with Audi in P1 were some of the best years of Sportscar Racing in North American history. We will be lucky to see such racing again in our lifetimes.

On a brighter side....


http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/13319...s-dpi-interest

IMSA: Penske acknowledges DPi interest
Tuesday, 16 August 2016
Marshall Pruett

If talks continue heading in the right direction, Team Penske could return to take part in IMSA's new Daytona Prototype international formula. Although nothing has been signed, according to Team Penske president Tim Cindric, the ALMS, IndyCar, and NASCAR champions have been actively discussing opportunities with DPi manufacturers.

Roger Penske's last factory-supported sportscar program involved running a Porsche-powered Daytona Prototype in 2009 (pictured below, Marshall Pruett photo) but multiple sources have pointed to a possible link between Penske and Honda for a 2018 DPi program, and while Cindric declined to elaborate on those talks, he says ongoing conversations are taking place with multiple manufacturers.

[JLGarcia]

Speaking of stories we seem to hear every year...

[Rcz]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Don't people say this every year of the series...

I'm mean the P class, as a show case of what's to come. If you mean when the series time has come, quite frankly I don't know. There's just too little raceing to keep the energy of interest throughout the season.



In short
GT racing is great.
P is finally getting fixed
PC is getting banished.
TV is crap
Series is still a mess but getting better.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

In fairness, those years of Porsche and Acura in P2, with Audi in P1 were some of the best years of Sportscar Racing in North American history. We will be lucky to see such racing again in our lifetimes.

On a brighter side....


http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/13319...s-dpi-interest

IMSA: Penske acknowledges DPi interest
Tuesday, 16 August 2016
Marshall Pruett

If talks continue heading in the right direction, Team Penske could return to take part in IMSA's new Daytona Prototype international formula. Although nothing has been signed, according to Team Penske president Tim Cindric, the ALMS, IndyCar, and NASCAR champions have been actively discussing opportunities with DPi manufacturers.

Roger Penske's last factory-supported sportscar program involved running a Porsche-powered Daytona Prototype in 2009 (pictured below, Marshall Pruett photo) but multiple sources have pointed to a possible link between Penske and Honda for a 2018 DPi program, and while Cindric declined to elaborate on those talks, he says ongoing conversations are taking place with multiple manufacturers.

In fairness? The ALMS was born of metamorphosis and remained in a metamorphic state it's entire life, through a divergence and convergence with GA to become the current iteration of 'IMSA' WSC. Every year was going to be better and looked at in that manner, period. I NEVER said that good/excellent racing had not occurred! It is no different now, than then, in the expectation that things look good next year.

As to Penske, it certainly sounds good from the comments (of an outsider, per se)( meaning there is no need to inflate news) that they have been approached by multiple mfgs about a possible DPi program! It would be good to have Penske back in sports cars, but, I think it more important that the mfgs join the series, than Penske.








L.P.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

In fairness, those years of Porsche and Acura in P2, with Audi in P1 were some of the best years of Sportscar Racing in North American history. We will be lucky to see such racing again in our lifetimes.

On a brighter side....


http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/13319...s-dpi-interest

IMSA: Penske acknowledges DPi interest
Tuesday, 16 August 2016
Marshall Pruett

If talks continue heading in the right direction, Team Penske could return to take part in IMSA's new Daytona Prototype international formula. Although nothing has been signed, according to Team Penske president Tim Cindric, the ALMS, IndyCar, and NASCAR champions have been actively discussing opportunities with DPi manufacturers.

Roger Penske's last factory-supported sportscar program involved running a Porsche-powered Daytona Prototype in 2009 (pictured below, Marshall Pruett photo) but multiple sources have pointed to a possible link between Penske and Honda for a 2018 DPi program, and while Cindric declined to elaborate on those talks, he says ongoing conversations are taking place with multiple manufacturers.

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[MaskedRacer]

Originally Posted by Rcz

GT racing is great.
P is finally getting fixed
PC is getting banished.
TV is crap
Series is still a mess but getting better.

1. No doubt about it. GTLM is stable. GTD growing
2. DPI car count is of little concern
3. About time
4. At least the youtube full race video for that past two events was the IMSA radio coverage which spared us of FOX commercials, fluff segments and interviews that took the cam off the race track.
5. I dont think it is a mess. IMSA is doing fine. It could always use better TV ratings and mainstream press though. With the type of cars they have I would think you can use them in something like a Fast and Furious movie.

[Makaze]

Originally Posted by Matt

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

From good source Penske isn't the team that will run the Honda DPi in 2018.
Things could change but Penske will only run a DPi team if there is 100% factory backing and the HPD program at the moment isn't a 100% factory backed program.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Makaze

From good source Penske isn't the team that will run the Honda DPi in 2018.
Things could change but Penske will only run a DPi team if there is 100% factory backing and the HPD program at the moment isn't a 100% factory backed program.

Wasn't eehhhh'ing the Penske rumor.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by Makaze

From good source Penske isn't the team that will run the Honda DPi in 2018.
Things could change but Penske will only run a DPi team if there is 100% factory backing and the HPD program at the moment isn't a 100% factory backed program.

A good source huh? How about common knowledge. Roger doesn't spend Rodgers money.

[Bob Baldwin]

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

A good source huh? How about common knowledge. Roger doesn't spend Rodgers money.

OH REALLY ! Yet how often do we see the names of the companies he owns on the sides of his cars ? Penske Trucks etc;

[Coach Ep]

Having Penske back in the series would be a great boost - and hopefully with a third (or fourth) manufacturer.

Btw, if a GT giant would come knock on Roger's door (like Ford did with Ganassi), I'm not sure he would turn down the project even if they wouldn't vie for overall wins.

[fieldodreams79]

Penske belongs in sportscars. Hope he makes his way back.

Originally Posted by Bob Baldwin

OH REALLY ! Yet how often do we see the names of the companies he owns on the sides of his cars ? Penske Trucks etc;

We've done this many times before. It hasn't been Roger's money for decades. It's money from a company's marketing or other budget, that occasionally bears his name. Not Roger's money.

He doesn't race unless he's got a sponsor footing the bill 110%.

[JLGarcia]

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/13316...a-nsx-gt3-deal

P entry looks shaky.

Seems that way.

Shank downplayed the possibility of continuing with its Ligier JS P2 Honda, or even making a switch to the HPD ARX-04b given its expected performance deficit to the new prototypes.

[JLGarcia]

86 the Weathertech AJR Porsche.

[Rcz]

Rich guys being spoiled brat is all I can say.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by Rcz

Rich guys being spoiled brat is all I can say.

I had to laugh... Ed Brown took to twitter to complain they always put up with BoP inequalites...

Right. Like getting team-only BoP in ALMS, leaving for the WEC.... uh huh.

David MacNeil looks stupid doing this. End of story.

But, this is why BoP sucks. Show up and run...

[WolfsburgRS]

Pretty unbelievable, and with basically no proof to back up these claims given the performance of other Porsches this year. Guess blaming Leh wasn't enough...

[Rcz]

It makes me wonder, why do they think the PWC is going to be any better?

Now your just going to get beat by Caddies instead of vipers.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by WolfsburgRS

Pretty unbelievable, and with basically no proof to back up these claims given the performance of other Porsches this year. Guess blaming Leh wasn't enough...

Makes you look even sillier when Park Place was able to out-drive you with the same BoP.

You aren't fast enough.... end of it. And that sure as hell isn't an AJR problem.

[FormulaFox]

Originally Posted by Rcz

It makes me wonder, why do they think the PWC is going to be any better?

Now your just going to get beat by Caddies instead of vipers.

PWC uses different BoP methodology. They may see it as worth a shot because of this.

A ton of people on the inside have been upset with how IMSA handles BoP. Whiny as it looks, they're just the first(and we'll eventually see if they'll be the only or not) to act on their complaints. IMSA has it harder than PWC in balancing the GTD cars because they're putting them on a lower performance level than other GT3 championships, but that only goes so far.

I don't have enough specific information on their issue to say if I agree with them or not, but I have to respect them for sticking to their guns to this extent. IF there is a genuine problem with the way BoP is being handled, more teams should follow their lead.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by FormulaFox

PWC uses different BoP methodology. They may see it as worth a shot because of this.

A ton of people on the inside have been upset with how IMSA handles BoP. Whiny as it looks, they're just the first(and we'll eventually see if they'll be the only or not) to act on their complaints. IMSA has it harder than PWC in balancing the GTD cars because they're putting them on a lower performance level than other GT3 championships, but that only goes so far.

I don't have enough specific information on their issue to say if I agree with them or not, but I have to respect them for sticking to their guns to this extent. IF there is a genuine problem with the way BoP is being handled, more teams should follow their lead.

The #73 Park Place car (Porsche) finished 2nd at Road America, so how is the BoP so wrong?









L.P.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

The #73 Park Place car (Porsche) finished 2nd at Road America, so how is the BoP so wrong?

It isn't. Either the manu's need to get together and demand no BoP, and run as is, or quit whinging.

[FormulaFox]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

The #73 Park Place car (Porsche) finished 2nd at Road America, so how is the BoP so wrong?

Didn't say it was. Just said that a lot of people are upset with how BoP is being handled.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by FormulaFox

Didn't say it was. Just said that a lot of people are upset with how BoP is being handled.

"how it's being handled' infers to some that it's not right.

You could argue that multiple changes, or "unfair" changes is being handled incorrectly, but, again, it comes back to not beiong correct. The issue at hand here is the breaks they've been given or a lack therof.

Problem is, they've been outraced by the same chassis running the same BoP.

[TF110]

Is it the AM drivers making the difference? That might be an explanation on the pace difference...