GTE/GTLM 2016 discussion

[TF110]

Im talking about the little 'shark fins' in this splitter itself, like this photo shows on the Toyota



Were seeing lmp level aero details on GTE's is my point, sorry that wasnt clear.

[Adam43]

Mad isn't it.

Such a shame too, overall these ruin the look of a GT car. Road or race.

[TF110]

Imo its at least cool to see these specific details. It may be moving away from what GT was, but I appreciate the way these cars are looking too.

[Mitchi_S]

Originally Posted by TF110

Im talking about the little 'shark fins' in this splitter itself, like this photo shows on the Toyota



Were seeing lmp level aero details on GTE's is my point, sorry that wasnt clear.

Now open up the restrictor and people have their GT1s back?

Porsche wouldn't like this though haha.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by wdave0

Of course this is a problem for Porsche 911 family, engine in the way of a diffuser.

A lot of the 911s in VLN ran diffuses in the past before the GT3s invaded. There is less room for one though.

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by Mitchi_S

Now open up the restrictor and people have their GT1s back?

Porsche wouldn't like this though haha.

GTE cars are already doing close to GT1 speeds now.

[manthey]

Originally Posted by GingerPixel

Auto Express are drawing speculative images of "new baby mid engined 911" as we speak.

any link to the article? pics? thanks

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by BullMan

GTE cars are already doing close to GT1 speeds now.

I'd be fine with another 50+HP....

[TF110]

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

I'd be fine with another 50+HP....

Yeah, me too. As for gt1 speeds, theyre not going to do 3:47's at LM with these imorovements alone.

[TF110]

Had to post this. The new 488 looks slick

http://youtu.be/B_SUadPJGh8

[Deleted]

It's okay.

Definitely not the huge look change from 430 to 458 or even 355 to 360, more like 360 to 430.

[rich07]

Rear diffuser looks a lot more involving then the 458. Sounds okay too for a turbo car.

[Mitchi_S]

Originally Posted by BullMan

GTE cars are already doing close to GT1 speeds now.

That's true - some people still miss the power though.

[Mitchi_S]

Originally Posted by Chiana

It's okay.

Definitely not the huge look change from 430 to 458 or even 355 to 360, more like 360 to 430.

Well but that's how Ferrari always does it since the 348 - create a new model, then a big "facelift" and give it a slightly new name.

348
355

360
430

458
488

The successor to the 488 will probably be something where they say "hurr durr it's been the first try with a turbo V8 in a mid-engined Ferrari since the F40 so here is the next big step where we improved it drastically"

[Deleted]

Yeah and the 550 & 575 GTS were almost clones to each other as well.

[Mt. Lynx]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Yeah and the 550 & 575 GTS were almost clones to each other as well.

Completely different builds though. The 550 was initially built by a private effort - Weith Racing - that was largely unsuccessful. Then Prodrive built a few, and had success with them.
The 575 was built by Italtechnica (IIRC), on order from Stephane Ratel. Had little success compared to the Prodrive 550's.

[rich07]

Originally Posted by Mt. Lynx

Completely different builds though. The 550 was initially built by a private effort - Weith Racing - that was largely unsuccessful. Then Prodrive built a few, and had success with them.

The 575 was built by Italtechnica (IIRC), on order from Stephane Ratel. Had little success compared to the Prodrive 550's.

The 575 was built by N Technology by order of Ferrari. Italtechnica built a 550, I believe that was the car that Ratel invested in, not the 575. The 575 only came about because Ferrari wanted some of Prodrives piece of the pie and well we all know how that turned out....didn't help that Ferrari were jumping into bed with Maserati at the time and the MC12 was given much more love.

[Mike E]

I seem to remember Dave Richards saying that when Prodrive used to get the 550 spaceframes delivered from Ferrari no two were the same...

[Mitchi_S]

Originally Posted by Mike E

I seem to remember Dave Richards saying that when Prodrive used to get the 550 spaceframes delivered from Ferrari no two were the same...

On purpose, or just plain coincidence?

[chernaudi]

Wasn't one of the early Prodrive 550s rebuilt from a wrecked road 550?

[TF110]

New C7.R testing, nice photo
https://www.instagram.com/p/96u90wTTgG/

[Mike E]

Originally Posted by Mitchi_S

On purpose, or just plain coincidence?

The suggestion was that they were badly made.

[carbon_titanium]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

Wasn't one of the early Prodrive 550s rebuilt from a wrecked road 550?

indeed it was, the first one ever built by prodrive. And if memory helps me, one of the first 550 gt1 chassis that ran in ALMS was tuned by..... bmw!

[Pole2Win]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Yeah and the 550 & 575 GTS were almost clones to each other as well.

The street 575M was a facelifted 550. Not uncommon in Ferrari history. The Berlinetta Boxer had numerous revisions, the Testarossa did too, the 456 GT had a Modificata update like the 550 as well.

The GT1-spec 550 and 575, however, were largely different from each other, as others mentioned. Ferrari did build the 575 only to capitalize on the Prodrive 550's success, though, since it was introduced late and would soon become obsolete with Corvette and Prodrive's new toy (the DBR9), also Ferrari had the idea to build the MC12 with which they had the opportunity to somewhat bend the rulebook and also was a superior platform to every GT1 competitor of the era.

[TF110]

Testing the new Vette at Sebring again, this time with some reflective stickers
http://youtu.be/OOXcw7NVDIg