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22 Apr 2016, 04:29 (Ref:3635587) | #4076 | |
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If WEC is all about the fastest lap time then sure...but in truth, with all traffic on the road, I dont think toyota can make any difference with their consistency. They picked top speed over acceleration.
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22 Apr 2016, 05:05 (Ref:3635592) | #4077 | |
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They picked a car suited for high top speed and low drag, not so much a formula car with fenders. You can't judge after only one race. Really that should be evident after these past few seasons.
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A quick question for anyone.
Are Toyota's cars not as good in traffic as the Audi and Porsche, or is it that Toyota's drivers aren't as ruthless? At Silverstone, Toyota seemed to be not losing all that much time to the VW Brothers until they started getting deep into traffic. We all know that Lotterer, for example, has that killer instinct, but do you think it's something that Toyota's drivers are lacking (even a little)? |
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23 Apr 2016, 06:07 (Ref:3635820) | #4081 | |
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The common belief tends to be that if you have less downforce you should lose less in traffic because you lose a lower percentage of grip from turbulence and have more speed to pass on the straights, but actually if you're short on downforce and thus overall grip the inability to maneuver the car as well in traffic can really hurt you. In American open wheel oval racing it's generally the case that cars with less downforce are fast out front but struggle more in traffic because they lack the extra grip to run non-ideal lines well.
Considering Silverstone is a rather fast and wide track, ill suited to low downforce trim to start with, and we saw Porsches and Audis passing lower class cars pretty much anywhere I think it's entirely possible the Toyotas were harder to put in places the other cars could go to make moves. |
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23 Apr 2016, 06:47 (Ref:3635822) | #4082 | |
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That's my take on it as well. Plus they aren't fully confident in the new car yet so the setup can definitely improve. It's entirely new except some of the aero philosophy. Audi has a 'new' car, but the engine is a known factor. With Toyota the engine, hybrid, chassis, suspension etc. is brand new. So it's encouraging to see their ultimate pace with that in mind is not far behind at all.
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26 Apr 2016, 15:14 (Ref:3636470) | #4083 | |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT98duIjuo8
Great onboard footage! You can see a lot of information on the wheel display. Most interesting is that above the battery indicator there is a big FWD and RWD signs that are lit up for most of the lap, but when the hybrid is deployed FWD is completely greyed out while RWD is flashing. I'm guessing that on deployment they use the full power of the front motor, but only part load the rear motor as the rear tires will get there traction oversaturated. |
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27 Apr 2016, 10:20 (Ref:3636662) | #4084 | |
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Also going by the FIA graphics the Toyota is going to almost 8k RPM, which means it uses the same RPM as the Porsche, if not a little more. Since they run in the same hybrid class (therefore have the same fuel flow) that would mean that Toyota are running significantly less boost pressure given that they have 20% higher displacement.
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27 Apr 2016, 16:59 (Ref:3636708) | #4085 | |
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Six-speed gearbox or they still use seven gears?
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27 Apr 2016, 20:02 (Ref:3636737) | #4087 | |
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I dont think toyota ever have used 7-speed gears. FIA TS040 onboard graphics showed 2 through 7 last year but that actually was 1 to 6.
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27 Apr 2016, 20:02 (Ref:3636738) | #4088 | ||
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audi had longer gears with max speed reached in 5th speed, porsche had very short gears with 7th kicked at just 260km/h; watching this onboard, toyota had very short 1-2-3-4, a bit longer 5th and a very long 6th. I guess toyota layout should be the most extreme, with rear wheels powered by ERS and ICE... the rumors about severe wheels spinning surely are close to the truth |
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27 Apr 2016, 22:09 (Ref:3636757) | #4089 | |
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Toyota said 7 gears in their PR for the TS050. I remember the TS040 only had 6. Perhaps they only utilized 6 gears in Silverstone because of the low top speed and the new car being tricky to set up. Noticed Kobayashi was hitting about 285kmh at the end of Hangar straight and he upshifts from 5th at about 245kmh.
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27 Apr 2016, 22:28 (Ref:3636758) | #4090 | ||
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Why have they only use 6 gear´s at Silverstone if they have a 7 speed gearbox???
http://www.toyotahybridracing.com/team/ts050-hybrid/ Are they hidding something for Le Mans??? I don´t understand it!! |
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28 Apr 2016, 01:12 (Ref:3636778) | #4092 | |
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PR doesn't have to be correct thus their information is probably wrong and in reality, they have 6 gears.
I'm sure audi and Porsche has few things that aren't quite true |
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28 Apr 2016, 04:24 (Ref:3636805) | #4093 | |
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The car is seven speed i am 100% sure. Audi also used only 5 gears, despite having 6.
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What is the point of low 1st gear that is never being used? As we have seen in normal circumstances Toyota gets out of the pit on battery power, that is the only point where low gear could be used. From that thinking they only need engine gears from 60 kmh onward and 1st gear could be geared closer to conventional 2nd gear, for max acceleration from 60 kmh not 0 kmh. |
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28 Apr 2016, 07:27 (Ref:3636836) | #4099 | |
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They used 1st here because for what ever reason they were using very tall gearing for Silverstone. Which means that 1st gear is longer then usual and that would make it usable in very low speed corners.
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28 Apr 2016, 07:28 (Ref:3636837) | #4100 | ||
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They're probably not using sixth for the same reason Audi only used five gears at Silverstone when they have six in their 'box - the sixth is too tall to use.
Is there a limit on the number of different ratios reach team can use this year? Even if there isn't, Silverstone is suitably different from the other tracks to not warrant using shorter gears just for this race. |
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