The never ending Toyota return to Le Mans (LMP1) Saga

[jpp]

to come back to the topic, what are the news about possible engine development for next year ?At the beginning of the projet , I remember some rumors about a 2 liter turbocharged engine...
Is this engine been developed ? Is it an option for the future ( 2013 or 2014 with the new regulation) ?

[Flo aus N]

Originally Posted by jpp

to come back to the topic, what are the news about possible engine development for next year ?At the beginning of the projet , I remember some rumors about a 2 liter turbocharged engine...
Is this engine been developed ? Is it an option for the future ( 2013 or 2014 with the new regulation) ?

Wel, if there would be a new engie, i think that its gonna be a 3,4l V8 with direct fuel injection. I dont think that Toyota is gonna develop a brand new engine for 2013. Or the would like to use this one as a test for 2014.

[TF110]

Seeing as they weren't far behind on efficiency at LeMans, and especially at Brazil, if they update the engine with say their D4S d-i tech, they may match Audi in that department. Or not, we don't know yet, but it's interesting to guess what gains could be made with such a young car.

[deggis]

One of the recently added galleries at toyotahybridracing.com has this wind tunnel model photo (obviously an old one, but maybe worth posting):



http://www.toyotahybridracing.com/fa...y=51&nggpage=2

[Japanese Samurai]

Anatomic research of TS030 Hybrid (in Japanese)
http://ms.toyota.co.jp/jp/wec/racing-hybrid-01.html

[I Rosputnik]

Sorry if this sounds silly, but who are Denso? I've seen their logo on most Toyota racing cars, the odd Subaru and the STCC/WTCC Volvo C30.

[deggis]

Originally Posted by I Rosputnik

Sorry if this sounds silly, but who are Denso? I've seen their logo on most Toyota racing cars, the odd Subaru and the STCC/WTCC Volvo C30.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denso

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by CTD

I hope you don't know how harmful accusation that is to some!

Grow up FFS . Ever hear of humour ?

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by gustavobamba

You are absolutly right... sometimes he better be carefull.

Whose "HE" ?

Im sure if I have done something wrong , the mods will be in contact , until then , wind it in !!!

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Its a Japanese battle flag , Toyota are Japanese if I remember correctly , and their going to fight it out in Shanghai ..... what the hell are you on about ?

Off topic comment alert I have to type this or my brain will explode! It's the flag they flew in World War II and in the Sino-Japanese war which started a couple of years before WWII. Which incidentally included atrocities against Chinese people. Thanks for reading, you've been a wonderful audience. Don't forget to try the veal and tip your waitress. We now return you to the topic

Which is why flying it in China would be the worst possible idea.

[deggis]

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[The Badger]

I'll do an edit too .

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by deggis

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Quickly edited mate ........................

Just drop this ..... now .

[deggis]

edit: lol

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

Anatomic research of TS030 Hybrid (in Japanese)
http://ms.toyota.co.jp/jp/wec/racing-hybrid-01.html

Thanks for that link.

The article mentions that the power output of Denso MGU is 220 kW/300 hp and the voltage of Nisshinbo supercapacitor is 700 V.

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Care to explain the union jack and atrocities please ..... in history ?

[CTD]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Grow up FFS . Ever hear of humour ?

I know humor, and I can be pretty sarcastic myself. However joking about a matter like War Crimes (which you indirectly were), is just awful taste, which is why i wrote what i wrote.
In your post you didn't in any way indicate that it was a joke. Said face-to-face it might have been understood, but in text, you can't, so at least consider making this clear in the first place! (it does however still not make it an ok joke in my taste)

I'm not going to dig more into this matter, i just felt it was necessary to point out the fact that your post is very offensive to many around the world.

EDIT:
Let's stop this Off Topic subject now - no need to ruin the Toyota thread.

[deggis]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Care to explain the union jack and atrocities please ..... in history ?

"History is written by the winners"?

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by CTD

I know humor, and I can be pretty sarcastic myself. However joking about a matter like War Crimes (which you indirectly were), is just awful taste, which is why i wrote what i wrote.
In your post you didn't in any way indicate that it was a joke. Said face-to-face it might have been understood, but in text, you can't, so at least consider making this clear in the first place! (it does however still not make it an ok joke in my taste)

I'm not going to dig more into this matter, i just felt it was necessary to point out the fact that your post is very offensive to many around the world.

EDIT:
Let's stop this Off Topic subject now - no need to ruin the Toyota thread.

Joking about war crimes , I certainly wasnt . Not the first time I posted this pic , in fact I suggested that the color would look good on the Dome , but nobody poked a stick at me then .

I didnt mean to offend ..... but its people like you who dredge up history and keep bitterness afloat .

Now ............. FINISH .

[The Badger]

Will Nakajima drive at Fuji and Shanghai ?

[knighty]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

Thanks for that link.

The article mentions that the power output of Denso MGU is 220 kW/300 hp and the voltage of Nisshinbo supercapacitor is 700 V.

Cripes. they are big numbers. I wonder what the folks at williams and audi think of that. also the fact that toyota can use it at any speed too. Did the 120kph limit help toyota at saopalo????....whats the slowest corner speed at saopalo???....

[deggis]

Originally Posted by knighty

Cripes. they are big numbers. I wonder what the folks at williams and audi think of that. also the fact that toyota can use it at any speed too. Did the 120kph limit help toyota at saopalo????....whats the slowest corner speed at saopalo???....

In the Audi onboard telemetry seems to drop constantly to almost 75 km/h at T8 and T10:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtft7uo4QJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTTy3cWqlI4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENAgYAff5Dg

[Asa]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Will Nakajima drive at Fuji and Shanghai ?

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/25/bu...html?hpt=hp_t3

After protests, Toyota reduces China-bound cars

I think it may not be safe for Toyota to race in Shanghai if the situation does not improve. Yes, they have no Japanese drivers and only a few Japanese staff, but the name itself is enough to provoke problems. Taking Nakajima to Shanghai is certainly not a very good idea at the moment.

[TF110]

Chinese round is still a good deal of time from now. Hopefully the situation improves by then. If it doesn't I still don't think Toyota will not race there.

[Bentley03]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

I just found pictures from Sao Paulo to confirm my theory.

Toyota was fueling the TS030 on the left side:


Audi had to fuel the R18 on the right side:


Longer fuel hose implies slower refueling. That is why Toyota lost a bit less.

Ok, Trussers has been doing a bit of investigating........

Apparently, Toyota were surprised by how much time they lost in the pits at Silverstone and had found a way to improve fuel flow out of the storage tank and into the refuelling hose in time for Interlagos. Trussers also speculates that they may have simply forgotten to insert the flow optimiser into the outlet of the fuel storage tank....oops!