IMSA Race 2024 Daytona 24Hr or ~ 6 Daytona 500s including stages

[flatlandsman]

Great in LMP but woeful issues in GT Pro, GTD is still close ish, but to be fair so far a fairly dull race, some close stuff of course and the odd battle, but the GTD Pro was hoped to be close but BoP and issues have really made it fairly boring to watch

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by tomcug

LMAO, I can't believe I'm reading this

Care to elaborate? We have three wins for Meyer Shank (at least one dodgy) versus zero wins for Wayne Taylor Racing in the 2023 season.

Red Bull Racing win because they always push every rule to the limit, lol. This helps Honda Racing Corporation win in turn.

Winning in IMSA is just as important for Honda Performance Development now Honda Racing Corporation USA as winning in Formula One.

I don't think there is anything dodgy on the Porsche 963s that keep triggering the over-energy penalty, probably just a wiring or programming fault hence why it is the same cars triggering it over and over again... but there sure are rumours about "the Penske way" and the Penske way is more than a little famous.

I don't think HRC will be pleased on needing to rely on a "hail Mary" of #7 and #31 crashing into each other or an entertainment control vehicle (pace car)...

[belt driven]

Hinchcliffe was talking to Keating this morning. He said P2 has stickier tires and more downforce GTP. I was surprised.

[v8supes]

The Cadillac keeps leaving pitlane on ICE power and not Hybrid power? Is that allowed? If so, why do teams keep on using the hybrid system to leave the box over the ICE?

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by belt driven

Surprised at these numbers. I stopped watching at midnite (10:20 in). I saw lots of 1:38s before then. Was the track damp fm humidity? Did the speeds pick up by 1:40?

These are the average of the Top 50,100, or 150.
It'll be the way the average works. For the top 50 (if the laps were distributed linearly) you would expect only 25 laps to be faster than that time.

Actually only 19 were faster than that time, but because it is more of a distribution the ones above are quite close to the average.

I've not explained that well, but the chart shows this. The chart flattens out.

FYI, here are the top 50 laps of teh 01 and when they occurred:

	Time (s)	Lap			Time (s)	Lap			Time (s)	Lap			Time (s)	Lap			Time (s)	Lap
1	96.416	2		11	96.992	31		21	97.296	60		31	96.865	135		41	96.943	252
2	96.013	3		12	96.697	33		22	96.865	68		32	96.894	140		42	96.711	255
3	96.491	4		13	96.813	34		23	96.911	69		33	96.539	141		43	97.057	258
4	96.219	5		14	97.293	35		24	96.588	71		34	97.059	143		44	97.109	268
5	96.152	6		15	97.108	40		25	96.853	72		35	97.026	144		45	96.537	343
6	97.054	9		16	97.021	41		26	97.172	74		36	97.112	173		46	97.223	346
7	97.125	10		17	`	44		27	97.15	78		37	96.839	174		47	97.124	347
8	97.131	11		18	96.852	50		28	97.163	80		38	96.782	175		48	97.082	382
9	96.974	12		19	96.313	57		29	97.072	128		39	97.239	189		49	96.365	383
10	97.185	15		20	96.373	59		30	96.388	130		40	97.175	250		50	96.152	384

[joeb]

Originally Posted by v8supes

The Cadillac keeps leaving pitlane on ICE power and not Hybrid power? Is that allowed? If so, why do teams keep on using the hybrid system to leave the box over the ICE?

Good question, I know it is typically done on electric power but don't know if it is a requirement.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by v8supes

The Cadillac keeps leaving pitlane on ICE power and not Hybrid power? Is that allowed? If so, why do teams keep on using the hybrid system to leave the box over the ICE?

Interesting.
RLM suggests you get more wheelspin with ICE.

I think the answer of why you use BEV would be it is good for the clutch and you don't need to use a starter.

I also recall that it might be a rule you have to use BEV to pull away in WEC? Or maybe that was a previous rule set.

[J Jay]

Originally Posted by v8supes

The Cadillac keeps leaving pitlane on ICE power and not Hybrid power? Is that allowed? If so, why do teams keep on using the hybrid system to leave the box over the ICE?

On commentary they speculated that it's a way of generating heat by spinning the tyres. For what it's worth, the #31 has at least looked faster than any of the Porsches on its outlap.

[belt driven]

Great pass for lead by Blomqvist! Go Cadillac! 1:35.969

[Adam43]

GTD has settled down - been some nice battles through the night and into the morning.
GTDPRO has big gaps due to the recent problems. Then we've had natural spread due to the long greens.

The BMW has 3 laps over the 4th place - should be OK, but it's mechanicals has lost it 3 laps. Actual endurance race here!

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Adam43

GTD has settled down - been some nice battles through the night and into the morning.
GTDPRO has big gaps due to the recent problems. Then we've had natural spread due to the long greens.

The BMW has 3 laps over the 4th place - should be OK, but it's mechanicals has lost it 3 laps. Actual endurance race here!

Yes the Merc has a gap at the front but then nothing between a handful of cars for the rest of the podium

[Adam43]

Race Positions at the 22 hour mark (725 laps)

It is Daytona so the YouTube link is optional.

Pos	0	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14	15	16	17	18	19	20	21	22	23	24
1	31	10	01	01	31	31	7	7	31	31	7	7	31	6	31	6	31	31	31	7	7	7	7
2	01	01	7	24	25	25	31	31	6	7	31	31	6	25	7	31	6	6	7	31	31	31	31
3	7	7	31	40	24	7	01	01	10	25	6	6	25	31	40	40	40	7	6	6	6	5	40
4	25	31	10	31	5	5	25	10	01	6	25	24	24	01	6	7	5	5	5	5	40	85	5
5	40	40	6	7	6	10	10	6	7	40	5	25	7	7	25	5	7	40	40	40	5	40	85
6	10	5	40	6	7	01	40	24	25	5	24	40	01	40	5	85	85	85	85	85	85	6	6
7	6	6	85	25	10	85	24	40	40	24	85	5	85	85	85	25	25	25	25	25	24	24	24
8	24	25	25	5	01	24	85	25	5	85	40	85	40	5	99	18	24	24	24	24	25	25	25
9	85	85	24	10	85	6	5	5	24	01	01	01	5	24	8	8	8	18	04	04	18	18	18
10	2	24	5	85	40	40	6	85	85	2	2	2	52	52	18	99	04	04	18	18	52	04	04
11	52	04	2	2	2	04	04	99	99	74	74	74	18	18	2	2	18	52	52	52	74	52	52
12	04	2	52	81	04	2	74	52	52	52	52	52	04	74	74	04	2	2	74	74	8	8	8
13	74	52	88	52	74	74	52	2	2	99	18	99	74	04	04	74	74	74	2	8	04	74	74
14	22	88	99	99	52	52	18	74	8	8	99	18	2	2	52	52	52	8	8	2	2	2	2
15	11	74	04	88	99	99	99	04	74	04	8	04	99	99	24	24	99	81	81	81	81	81	81
16	99	81	74	8	18	81	2	18	18	18	04	8	8	8	81	81	81	99	99	99	99	99	99
17	20	8	8	04	81	18	81	81	04	81	81	81	81	81		4	4	1	1	1	62	62	62
18	81	33	81	18	8	8	8	8	81	3	3	62	62	3	62	1	1	4	4	62	1	1	77
19	88	22	33	74	33	27	1	1	1	19	62	3	3	77	4	62	62	62	62	77	77	77	1
20	18	18	18	33	3	57	32	62	62	62	19	19	19	4	1	3	3	3	3	023	57	57	57
21	33	11	9	1	96	77	70	77	12	1	65	65	1	1	3	77	77	77	77	57	023	12	12
22	8	99	12	4	12	4	96	4	57	65	23	77	4	62	77	57	80	023	023	4	12	32	21
23	77	12	3	75	75	75	64	12	77	23	77	23	77	19	57	70	12	57	80	80	32	023	32
24	14	19	4	120	27	32	47	32	4	4	64	64	70	23	32	80	57	96	57	32	21	21	34
25	12	9	62	70	4	1	4	3	3	64	1	57	32	57	80	023	32	80	83	120	34	34	80
26	86	3	11	47	77	47	3	19	32	77	57	1	65	32	47	21	96	12	120	83	80	80	023
27	66	34	80	023	62	12	12	57	19	57	32	70	47	47	12	12	023	83	32	12	120	83	83
28	45	4	65	77	47	70	23	96	96	70	70	32	57	70	70	83	83	32	12	34	83	120	120
29	78	80	1	12	57	3	44	70	55	12	96	96	12	65	96	65	43	120	21	21	43	43	43
30	34	65	57	43	1	120	66	120	64	32	12	4	120	96	023	32	65	65	34	43	65	65	23
31	3	23	77	64	32	96	43	34	65	96	34	34	96	023	21	43	34	21	43	65	23	23	64
32	47	47	23	9	70	44	120	55	23	34	4	12	23	120	65	96	120	34	65	23	64	64	3
33	19	64	64	44	66	21	77	47	34	43	023	120	023	80	43	47	21	43	23	64	3	3	47
34	62	70	70	3	120	66	19	64	70	120	120	023	21	12	83	23	64	23	64	3	47	47	19
35	023	55	34	57	65	19	34	23	120	47	47	55	80	43	23	120	23	64	47	47	19	19	86
36	9	66	32	23	19	55	62	83	43	023	55	47	83	21	120	34	17	17	19	19	86	86	92
37	17	43	47	62	23	64	65	65	47	55	43	80	43	83	34	92	47	47	92	92	92	92	70
38	70	83	96	19	023	83	27	27	83	66	80	83	34	34	92	64	92	19	86	86	70	70	4
39	21	27	83	65	55	34	60	66	21	21	83	43	55	92	64	17	19	92	96	70	4	4	96
40	43	32	19	27	83	65	57	43	44	80	21	21	64	64	19	86	86	86	70	96	96	96
41	83	44	66	96	44	43	55	44	66	83	27	92	92	17	17	19	70	70	17	9	78	78	78
42	13	023	75	55	21	60	21	21	27	27	92	86	17	86	86		9	9	9	78	10	10	10
43	4	57	21	32	64	23	83	80	023	92	86	17	86	66	14	9	78	78	78	10		45	45
44	60	96	023	34	34	62	75	023	80	45	17	66	66		9	14		33	10		45
45	65	120	27	60	60	023	023	92	92	17	66	27	14	14	66	78	33	10	33	33	33	33
46	75	21	120	83	92	80	92	17	17	10	9	14	9	9		10	10	45	45	45
47	23	86	55	66	80	92	80	45	45	86	45	44	78	78	78	33	45
48	55	60	43	80	43	17	17	86	86	44	60	60	27	10	10	45
49	1	92	44	21	17	45	45	75	9	9	44	9		33	33
50	64	45	60	92	86	86	86	60	60	60	14	45		45	45
51	96	17	45	17	45	33	33	9	13	13	10	78	10	13	13	13	13	13	13
52	57	75	17	45		22	9	13	14	14	78	10	33
53	32	1	86	86	9	9	13	14		78	13	33	45
54	120	77	92	22	22	13	14	33	78	33	33	13	13
55	80	62	22	13	13	14		78	33
56	44	20	13		14		78			20	20
57	27	14	20	14	78	78			20
58	5	78	14	20				20
59	92	13	78	78	20	20	20

Non runners:

#	Team	Car	Class
65	Ford Multimatic Motorsports	Ford Mustang GT3	GTDPRO
9	Pfaff Motorsports	McLaren 720S GT3 EVO	GTDPRO
17	AWA	Chevrolet Corvette Z06 GT3.R	GTD
01	Cadillac Racing	Cadillac V-Series.R	GTP
14	VasserSullivan	Lexus RC F GT3	GTDPRO
66	Gradient Racing	Acura NSX GT3	GTD
55	Proton Competition	Ford Mustang GT3	GTD
13	AWA	Chevrolet Corvette Z06 GT3.R	GTD
27	Heart of Racing Team	Aston Martin Vantage GT3 Evo	GTD
44	Magnus Racing	Aston Martin Vantage GT3 Evo	GTD
60	Iron Lynx	Lamborghini Huracan GT3 EVO2	GTDPRO
75	Sun Energy 1	Mercedes AMG GT3	GTDPRO
20	MDK by High Class Racing	ORECA LMP2 07	LMP2
22	United Autosports USA	ORECA LMP2 07	LMP2
88	Richard Mille AF Corse	ORECA LMP2 07	LMP2
11	TDS Racing	ORECA LMP2 07	LMP2

[veeten]

For the last pit, go with a set of used tires. Takes less time to get to grip.

[Adam43]

They will be thinking about that. Depends how close it is to the end.
If close don’t change at all, they are already warm.

All the top cars are about 60% through their penultimate stint.

[Adam43]

Blomqvist probably needs to stop first?

[tomcug]

It may be just me but I think that Porsche made a mistake by staying out on track for 3 more laps vs the 31. When you're in a battle against a slightly faster car, I don't think you want to be on cold tires while your competitor has tires already up to temperature.

Originally Posted by Adam43

Blomqvist probably needs to stop first?

Probably but who knows, I wouldn't expect Nasr to drive in eco mode now

[joeb]

Originally Posted by tomcug

It may be just me but I think that Porsche made a mistake by staying out on track for 3 more laps vs the 31. When you're in a battle against a slightly faster car, I don't think you want to be on cold tires while your competitor has tires already up to temperature.

Less energy to put in at the last stop. I think they are fine on strategy.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by tomcug

It may be just me but I think that Porsche made a mistake by staying out on track for 3 more laps vs the 31. When you're in a battle against a slightly faster car, I don't think you want to be on cold tires while your competitor has tires already up to temperature.

Probably but who knows, I wouldn't expect Nasr to drive in eco mode now

Track position or tire temps could be key for the last stop. Which do you chose…

They might have to gamble on that again to at least get ahead?

[Adam43]

Fire! All bets are off!

[tomcug]

Originally Posted by joeb

Less energy to put in at the last stop. I think they are fine on strategy.

True but will it be enough to jump the 31 in the pits?
Oh dear, Lexus on fire! That might play into Porsche's hands due to shorter refueling for the 7 potentially.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Fire! All bets are off!

It's in the pit exit, it can be pushed away with a closed pit lane only.

Calling the Entertainment Control Vehicle is suss for sure. Welcome for the show, but suss.

[J Jay]

Time for the run-in to the green/white/chequered.

[Ferrari333SP]

This caution will setup a very fast and crazy finish

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Ferrari333SP

This caution will setup a very fast and crazy finish

Convenient! Good for Acura!

But it is pretty suss, no? The recovery pickup is already angled to pull the car into the paddock without needing to go anywhere near the actual race track.

[joeb]

Was hoping they could stay green but understand throwing a caution for a car potentially blocking the pit exit