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Your name has come up several times and he speaks mostly highly of you. I'm not sure if he'll be at Spa, depends if someone crosses his palm with silver I'll let him know you asked after him. To try and keep this post on thread he does know a lot about 005 and also he was still great friends with Steve Soper back in the SD1 days so has got pretty good knowledge of them and all the little tricks they had. |
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Well, if anyone knows about the post TWR history of that car it is him. I saw it in Colin's barn in IIRC 1992(?). I think I'm right in saying Gerry drove it at Oulton Park in 1993 in a forerunner to the CTCRC (CSCC as was) pre 83 championship. I know, it was an allcomers race so the age was not important.
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The bizarre thing is I bought a programme off ebay the other day and it came this morning and guess what, Oulton Park, 9th October 1993, Race 6, CSCC pre'83 Group 1 touring car race, Gerry Marshall Class B, Rover Vitesse/3528, Colin Pearcy Class E, MG Metro Turbo/1275. The only other guys I recongnise from the race are David Thomas (Capri) and David Nixon (Avenger). |
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Dont know if you,ve read the earlier postings but I was responsible for the Bastos paint job while it was in Arthurs ownership. The car was incredably docile to drive.
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Found this pic from the Kemora 'Midnight Sun' race in Finland in 1987- it's a bit distant, but fom the accompanying race result, the SD1 on the right-hand side of the pic seems to be the Kaj Bornebusch car that made a few ETCC appearances in 1987/8
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yes it would be so good to know more about the history of 005. Ken Clarke has given us a pretty good history of the car in its TWR days,although a little more detail about its race history in the early/mid eighties would be good. Are you able to tell us about its post TWR history,race history/ownership etc? The car is in quite remarkable condition,very straight and will present as new when we finish with its restoration. why did it end up in Bastos colours in Artur Carters collection?that puzzles me a little. any more info would be really appreciated,we especially need some photos of it in Marlboro colours from the rear and of the roof as we are handpainting the graphics and logos now...the marlboro red looks amazing...took a little effort to source the right type of paint. regards Allan Dippie(N Z) |
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It was in Bastos colours when Colin Pearcey owned it.
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I can't remember when Colin bought it, it was about '88 and Dad did all the research for him (they were best friends and enighbours) and Colin bought it to go in his collection of works MG Bs, As & Cs and his works MG Metro Turbo. As anyone will tell you Colin was/is very good at spending money, so it was well looked after by Vince and I think Roger Dowson did some of the work too (he looked after whatever Vince couldn't). The Rover didn't do too much in Colin and Arthur's hands, Colin did a couple of test/track days, I don;t think he ever raced it and I think Dad just did the one race that has been mentioned. I don't think Arthur did aynthing with it either, he doesn't strike me as a "user" collector. Did you buy it from the Arthur's auction? |
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When I saw the Bornebusch Rover five weeks later, it was plain white and running on bright red Speedline rims. Having just aquired a batch of 1987 Autosport magazines, the race report for the Anderstorp ETCC race positively says that the Bornebusch car was the '86 Allam/Hulme TT winner but no chassis number given. Jesper |
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Don't suppose you know anything about the history of that one- ex-TWR, locally-built in Finland or ex-Germany etc? I was looking back through some old Autosports a few weeks back so remember the Anderstorp report referring to the Bornebusch car being the TT winner- your description of a white car on red Speedlines definitely matches the Istel-liveried Allam/Hulme car http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-09-07-009.jpg |
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This photo is interesting. Istel was the Hulme car which I had thought was #20, originally in Bastos livery, however note that the C pillar doesn't have the air jacking points. This is interesting.
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The rectangular version mainly appears in the earlier 1983/4 season cars, and I did wonder if it's appearance on some Bastos cars suggests the re-use of earlier cars/shells? |
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Yes KA I think you're definitely onto something there. We know for example that one of the '84 Fleet cars (008, assuming that was a new chassis in itself, we don't yet know?) became a Bastos car in 1985, was shunted and rebuilt and continued on into 1986? That's one possible car, so there maybe others? I also wonder if we could get any closer looks at the ex TWR cars that Chatfield, Griffin (Malrboro liveried, this surely has to be either 005 or 013), Leech ran in '87/88 to see the jacking pillar points which might help us to identify which TWR chassis they bought. We're also due a new list from ken for 1984 or 85 aren't we?? |
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http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-07-29-026.jpg On '85 season Bastos cars there are 2 round holes, the lower one just above the Rover script: http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-07-28-001.jpg The rectangular version turns up on some 85-season Bastos cars, but I've never yet seen it on an 83/4 season car http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-07-28-007.jpg helpfully highlighted in white...it's also visible in one of the cars at Donington 85 in the pics posted a couple of pages back, and on the white Bastos car from Estoril 85 earlier in the thread On 86 Bastos cars, the holes are more widely spaced, and there's an additional one on the right-hand side. http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-04-06-008.jpg http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-08-03-007.jpg Again, I've not seen this feature in an earlier photo, but both earlier versions appear on 86-season cars: 1983/4 rectangle: http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-08-03-009.jpg 1985 2 holes with no extra one on the right http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-09-07-009.jpg From a pic I've seen of the LH side of the Istel car, the holes for the airjack connections are closer-spaced as on the 85 cars... Think the pics of the Chatfield and Kevin Eaton cars earlier in the thread look like the '86' version... |
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We did not know about Arturs auction being way out here on the dark side in the colonies and all (presumably the car did not sell because you Brits do not know a good thing when you see it!,or alternatively the reserve was too high)We eventually purchased the car sight unseen after some fairly protracted negoiations some months later i imagine. We found out about the car by accident,a friend of mind who collects ex works datsuns was buying one of Arthurs 240z's off him and here is this Bastos car in the background of the photos,stored in what looked like ex chicken sheds but presumably thats were you keeps cows over there. Anyway my friend mentions this to me and suggests i buy a spare car for #018....we could not find much info out about it at the time however ,we knew it wasnt a bastos car...too early a chassis #...but we were dealing with Arthurs agent,accountant or some such,knew not a gander about race cars...so when it did arrive we were pleased with both its condition and its pedigree of which we have since found alot more about...hence its restoration in Marlboro colours. The cars last race may be interesting ,it still has a dated sructineering sticker on its side window ,ill check that out,probably your father was driving? The car also arrived with a really trick and well speced motor,twin plenum and all,one of the last...it didnt get that by accident ,someone in the know and with good connections..your father maybe? |
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2 40z? We have a friend in common!.When Arthur bought the car,it was in either Marlboro or esso colours,Red chevron on bonnet and red on rear flanks.After I repainted the car to one of Arthurs whims,I drove it around the estate a few times,washed it and placed it into the collection.THe engine was exactly as bought,no mechanical work was performed on the car whatsoever.The car then stayed in the collection for something like30yrs.It was never ever raced whilst in Arthurs ownership,I dont think that it had been started untill it was finally removed from the collection by Rob,it was then auctioned off.THE pearcy car,I saw race at SPA ,This was whilst Arthurs was still in the paintshop awaiting my return from racing at Spa,I then had the task of masking off for Bastos to be painted on it!!.I was not going to bother even looking at this thread again but curiosity got the better of me,just for the record,in the 20yrs I worked for Arthur ,there were on ly ever 4 cars taken from the collection,they being 1]Connaught 2]MGC GTS Replica 3]F4.4]TR7,fitted with a Sprint engine. I hope this is of some use to you and long may you enjoy the car,I,m sorry that it doe,s not have any "Gerry" history,but at least you know now! Have you spoken to Jeff recently?
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Surely it can't have been still for 30 years??!! 15-20 at a push I would've thought. I still think that this might be the car that Bill Griffin entered a couple of '87 BTCC and modsaloon rounds with. Nobody else has yet come forward with any other recollections of the Griffin/Marlboro Vitesse outings which will have been either in 005 or possibly 013? Perhaps it only entered the '87 BTCC finale or something to 'advertise it' Why didn'y you think you'd want to look at the thread anymore Terence? Your thoughts and imput have been brilliant. |
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It was the Bournebusch[spelling?] car that was just in white.Your right,30 is a bit high,Athur bought the car approx 81/2.It was put into Bastos colours 2/3 weeks later.He had a thing about SD1s for a while,he was a bit faddy!.I left Arthur in 94 for BTCC,the two cars were still there in 2004 when they were sold off by Arthurs Adviser,as were most of the other car,s.I,m sorry for confusing the issue with the chevrons,but a lot has happened since those day,s.I will make an effort an find the before and after photos,every one can then see that the "Bastos" car was painted into that scheme after Arthur bought it. Colin Pearcy did indeed own another car,it was driven by him and a guy named Chris -------,I can,t remember his surname unfortunatly.So the scenario is that Arthurs was never used in competition at all whilst in his ownership.At that time ,there was,nt much it could be used in.Collins entry at Spa was only a grid filler in one of the BSS races ,an annual event at the circuit.
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Just a bit on the side, When I bought some bits for my Rover build, a fella I went to see had some raw un machined blocks sitting in his garage, I know what a Rover Stiff block looks like, and thise were Not Standard castings, the valley webs inside the engines were about twice the thickness of standard as were the main cap webs, I wish I had bought one now,
About the only thing I know about one of the cars spares package was being sold off, may have been TWR ETCC as I bought a Wilkinshaw ETCC cam from the company, for the life of me I cant remember the name of them, but they were in the middle of the Norfolk Fens behind a farm, Rovertec? seems to ring a bell. Ian |
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The good thing is that someone is ACTUALY going to race it again,it was always a bit strange to drive a car into the collection and think it would be there forever!.I really hope you have a lot of fun with it and may it go well. At one point it was reconned that Arthur had the best private collection in the UK,I know that after the 21 cars I did for him,he had 73 cars in there ,from BRMs to Ex Works Minis etc.
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