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25 May 2016, 22:49 (Ref:3644429) | #4252 | ||
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Little interview with Buemi here http://www.24h-lemans.com/en/news/se...746_24940.html. They're really upbeat about their LM chances I'd say.
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26 May 2016, 06:04 (Ref:3644476) | #4253 | ||
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As I have said before: For me Toyota is the firm favorite for Le Mans. I think they will be the quickest car and if they manage to keep out of trouble, they stand a very good chance of winning this.
They have done the right thing: Their focus is and has been only on Le Mans. |
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Porsche's advantage lies primarily in their hybrid system. With the 300Kw cap for the EMU, that advantage gets "contained". This shifts their reliance more to the very small engine where they are at less than an advantage. To add to that, they do not have a new car ( which is a double edged sword) and they have so far this year , lacked luck. Audi will (as usual) be very fast (and aggressive), but I have some qualms about their reliability. |
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26 May 2016, 08:53 (Ref:3644498) | #4256 | |
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why would audi's reliability be any worse than toyota's (or porsche's)? none of the cars has proved trouble-free performance yet. if anything, audi no8 came the closest to that, at spa, so far. they also won both races of the championship on track, thus far.
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26 May 2016, 09:23 (Ref:3644506) | #4257 | |
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It's nice to read different views, but there is just not enough information even to judge which car will be more DF oriented and which less DF.
Have we seen anything even remotely like LM package from Porsche and Audi? Toyota shoved LM package at Paul Ricard and we have images from SPA test, that is all. Both Audi and Porsche were running interm or HD packages at Paul Ricard and SPA. We can't have slightest idea how Toyota will cope with rivals and also judging from the images it's impossible to say what is with underbody aero, I heard it can make big impact on the total package. |
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26 May 2016, 12:31 (Ref:3644536) | #4259 | |
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the 2 consecutive punctures can be a sign of the car being too hard on the tires. low LM downforce can make things even worse in that respect. the porsches also had several problems anyway and while that's definitely not the way to win le mans, i still kinda think they are favorites, given they've won last year and they're so far the fastest out of 3 pretty unreliable cars this year.
also, le mans is usually won because of other cars' misfortunes and there seems to be plenty of them for everyone, so that doesn't make audi's spa victory (or silverstone/spa wins on track) less legitimate. but given we're on the toyota thread, what i was trying to say was i didn't quite get why would toyota be (firm!) favorite in any way, they were slower than porsche and audi at silverstone, slower than porsche and ultimately less reliable than both audi and porsche at spa. |
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26 May 2016, 14:48 (Ref:3644569) | #4261 | ||
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The Porsche front gearbox issue may or may not have been caused by the punctures, but when you consider that they're been rumored to be mulling going back to some of the 2015 parts for their hybrid system because they're not 100% satisfied with their 2016 spec, that means that they're looking at reliability vs outright performance.
For Toyota, the engine issues at Spa are a bit more concerning, since we (at least) don't know what the exact nature of the #5's engine failure was, let alone what caused it. And Toyota had no additional pre-LM endurance testing planned as far as on track testing goes. That Audi had no mechanical problems or problems with their hybrid system (which caused them a lot of problems, especially early in testing) would seem, at least from the outside looking in, that they're headed in the right direction reliability wise. However, I'm a bit skeptical until I hear that they've done over a LM's distance in testing without major issues, which we have yet to hear from a reliable source. Also, I'm a bit less worried but still a bit skeptical on them getting the handling 100% right for the LM package since they had persistent handling problems all weekend at Spa that they never fully resolved during the weekend. We won't know much until LM test day. But even that's a shot in the dark, due to everyone having their own programs and plans. |
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26 May 2016, 20:10 (Ref:3644661) | #4262 | |
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We dont need to know the cause, we want to. Toyota does need to know and it seems they do. Ant Davidson tweeted they had a successful test at Spa in prep for LM.
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26 May 2016, 20:47 (Ref:3644665) | #4263 | ||
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What with both cars had problems unless they fixed those problems and resolved all the issues and to be honest they had said these sort of things before spa and we all know what happened there, i want toyota to do well rather than keep saying it is and then experiencing problems later
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27 May 2016, 00:48 (Ref:3644712) | #4264 | |
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They said they had no issues in 20k+ km of testing. Not much bragging from them. Spa caused them an issue in or around 3 hours. They went back there the past 2 days. Seems everything went good? Maybe the issue is resolved.
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27 May 2016, 02:58 (Ref:3644730) | #4265 | |
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Past 2 days of Spa has been just a shake down so not sure if they've solved anything yet
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27 May 2016, 05:36 (Ref:3644763) | #4266 | |
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Shakedown? Don't think so. The LM spec car had it's first run/ shakedown at the Prologue in March. This was a LM test.
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I have not been able to confirm anything about the battery issue and according to an article in e-Racing Magazine, Porsche are very happy with their 2016 battery. Furthermore, I suspect that that rumor was started because of the issues with the #2 car. Porsche have never gotten to the bottom of that, and as a result the # 2 has a new chassis/car. Having said all that, It is obvious that none of the three makes are free from having issues or running into trouble. I would say the odds of one of the cars from any of the three teams running into trouble (of some kind) is close to 100%. I suspect that the winner this year (as in any other year) will be the car that has the least (or no)trouble and has the speed to catch up or runaway from the rest of the field. Last edited by Spyderman; 27 May 2016 at 05:51. |
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27 May 2016, 07:51 (Ref:3644786) | #4268 | ||
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How many engines are allowed by the rules? What changes can you make on engine during the season? My guess is they will just run with no engine modification, they know how much abuse the engine can take and it's good enough. |
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27 May 2016, 14:01 (Ref:3644871) | #4269 | ||
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29 May 2016, 09:31 (Ref:3645424) | #4271 | |
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they were slower than porsche in race pace as well. if you look through the race lap analysis, it's quite obvious that the full-working porsche has better lap times than any of the toyotas. maybe they weren't as consistent as they expected to be, but in terms of pure speed, the difference is quite clear. and it gets that more obvious in absolute pace (fastest lap and ideal lap, where the porsche is almost 1.5 seconds faster than any of the toyotas).
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29 May 2016, 10:38 (Ref:3645433) | #4272 | |
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At spa, the gap between porsche 1 and toyota 5 when the first stint was finished was less than 10 seconds, which could be shorter if toyotas had not been blocked by audies in the first half of the 1st stint. #1 was clearly slower than #5 in the later half of the 1st stint, so i think #1 would have been little faster than or even with double-stinted #5 if they had completed their 2nd stint without puncture.
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30 May 2016, 00:33 (Ref:3645697) | #4273 | |
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You're right, Hiro. Even with Buemi's double he was able to fight with the #1 for those few laps before it's puncture. The timing and scoring confirm the gap closed after Buemi passed the Audi's.
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30 May 2016, 01:26 (Ref:3645703) | #4274 | |
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Well, I already gave my two cents regarding the Toyota's performance, at Spa, so I won't bother with repeating it. All I'm gonna say is that I'm loving all this Toyota hype especially because I have a good feeling that this thread will, once again, be filled with excuses after another LM...... so enjoy the hope while it lasts. At least that will be something in case Toyota doesn't finally win it.
As an Audi fan, I'm not expecting a good perfomance from them either. Let's see if the race at least turns out to be entertaining |
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