IMSA USCC in 2016 and 2017

[FormulaFox]

Without factory backing ESM's gonna have a hard time keeping up. Good luck to them, but I don't expect much from this program.

[DeezPutz]

What a day filled with big IMSA news. 2017 is looking so bright we'll need shades.

[TF110]

There's no confirmation of factory backing, at this time. That's all Nissan has said. So that possibility is still alive.

[broadrun96]

With a Nissan engine they'll eventually have some bodywork or something won't they? Or we will just 'wink-wink' call the Nissan a Gibson and hope no one notices?

[FormulaFox]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

With a Nissan engine they'll eventually have some bodywork or something won't they? Or we will just 'wink-wink' call the Nissan a Gibson and hope no one notices?

IMSA is still requiring bodywork as well if a team wants to use anything other than the Gibson engine, and they do not look likely to budge on it anytime soon.

[broadrun96]

A lot of info in the morning news from sportscar365 at COTA:

Michael Shank confirmed on Friday that John Pew will not return to the team after a ten-year run. Pew is expected to continue driving, but potentially in a different series.

***The first Ligier JS P217 is scheduled to begin testing in the U.S.by the end of October. Onroak Automotive’s Ethan Bregman told Sportscar365 that an extensive testing program is planned for Sebring, prior to the IMSA-sanctioned test at Daytona in November. Bregman said he expects multiple cars to be competing in the WeatherTech Championship full-time next year.

***Three Ligier JS P3s have already been sold for competition in the new IMSA Prototype Challenge series next year, with Bregman anticipating a field of six to seven JS P3s for the new-look championship. The JS P3 is currently the only car that’s both homologated and currently in production.

[MaskedRacer]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

A lot of info in the morning news from sportscar365 at COTA:

Michael Shank confirmed on Friday that John Pew will not return to the team after a ten-year run. Pew is expected to continue driving, but potentially in a different series.

***The first Ligier JS P217 is scheduled to begin testing in the U.S.by the end of October. Onroak Automotive’s Ethan Bregman told Sportscar365 that an extensive testing program is planned for Sebring, prior to the IMSA-sanctioned test at Daytona in November. Bregman said he expects multiple cars to be competing in the WeatherTech Championship full-time next year.

***Three Ligier JS P3s have already been sold for competition in the new IMSA Prototype Challenge series next year, with Bregman anticipating a field of six to seven JS P3s for the new-look championship. The JS P3 is currently the only car that’s both homologated and currently in production.

1. A guess about Pew..the ELMS would be first, second guess the IMSA LMP3 series
2. How about that. ESM going to IMSA full time again. What a big boost.
3. Hope these orders are from existing LMPC teams. Maybe a team like JDC/Miller will end LMPC entirely after the 24 and the 12 and start running the LMP3 series after that.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

3. Hope these orders are from existing LMPC teams. Maybe a team like JDC/Miller will end LMPC entirely after the 24 and the 12 and start running the LMP3 series after that.

The one thing we do know, it won't be a success, and nobody has money to make them run or buy them. #sarcasm.

[FormulaFox]

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

The one thing we do know, it won't be a success, and nobody has money to make them run or buy them. #sarcasm.

It takes only the smallest fraction of brainpower to be able to tell who you're trying to poke fun at with those comments. I don't care particularly care about people wanting to poke fun at things when I get something wrong, but could you please actually try to get your sarcasm on point as to what I said rather than making things up? All I ever said is that it makes no sense for a series on that level to run equipment that expensive, not that nobody's going to bother. Sure, I did say you can't be expecting the teams currently in Lites to be spending that kind of money, but that's far from NOBODY. (it's also only HALF of the reason I said the Lites plan makes no sense, and the reasoning doesn't add up if you don't take the other half into account)

Incidentally, I know of a team that's planning to run two JSP3s in the series.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by FormulaFox

It takes only the smallest fraction of brainpower to be able to tell who you're trying to poke fun at with those comments. I don't care particularly care about people wanting to poke fun at things when I get something wrong, but could you please actually try to get your sarcasm on point as to what I said rather than making things up? All I ever said is that it makes no sense for a series on that level to run equipment that expensive, not that nobody's going to bother. Sure, I did say you can't be expecting the teams currently in Lites to be spending that kind of money, but that's far from NOBODY. (it's also only HALF of the reason I said the Lites plan makes no sense, and the reasoning doesn't add up if you don't take the other half into account)

Incidentally, I know of a team that's planning to run two JSP3s in the series.

It actually wasn't aimed twoards you in the least. If I wanted to call you out, I would have. Lots of people are irritated that PC is going away, and has been moved to a seperate class.

[FormulaFox]

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

It actually wasn't aimed twoards you in the least. If I wanted to call you out, I would have. Lots of people are irritated that PC is going away, and has been moved to a seperate class.

In that case I apologize for the accusation.

Indeed, there are many people frustrated, but I've never seen anyone make the assertion that the change is a guaranteed failure.

(but if we're going to get into this, we should move it to the Lites/LMP3 thread)

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by FormulaFox

In that case I apologize for the accusation.

Don't bother. I'm not worried about it.

Indeed, there are many people frustrated, but I've never seen anyone make the assertion that the change is a guaranteed failure.

Scuttlebutt amongst some. Perhaps the disdain in the paddock seems bigger than reality proves. Much is coming from PC teams who don't want to move.

[Rcz]

IMSA should have a GTD only race some day. 6 hours at Road America co sanction with SRO.

So as Indycar ditches therir aerokits I wonder how long the DPi will keep theirs. Yes there is a difference, Indycars kits actually do something and not for marketing purposes but it's still expensive.

[FormulaFox]

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Scuttlebutt amongst some. Perhaps the disdain in the paddock seems bigger than reality proves. Much is coming from PC teams who don't want to move.

Oh, I'm not surprised by that and don't take it into account. The PC teams don't want to spend any money at all, so you could present them with the most 100% perfect idea for the future but if it cost them a dime they'd have still complained.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by Rcz

So as Indycar ditches therir aerokits I wonder how long the DPi will keep theirs. Yes there is a difference, Indycars kits actually do something and not for marketing purposes but it's still expensive.

Indycar is dumping their in hopes of variety. When we have only Chevy/Riley's and two Mazda's...

We will see.

[Makaze]

Rumors I'm hearing from COTA pits this weekend.

The first two Dpi programs might not be 100% ready for Daytona.So they might be running at Daytona without full Dpi bodywork.That opens the door for others to run Dpi engine without Dpi bodywork.It is in IMSA hands now.....black and white with rules or going grey with the rules the first couple races/first season?

This problem is cause by IMSA dragging their feet with the new rules and the late delivery of the new 2017 P2 chassis..Everybody started late on programs.

HPD decided to wait and watch what IMSA is going to do with Dpi rules and BOP in 2017.They have a tight budget and it would be stupid to do a program that doesn't have rules set yet and might change per race in 2017 and maybe new rules for 2018!!!

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by Makaze

Rumors I'm hearing from COTA pits this weekend.

The first two Dpi programs might not be 100% ready for Daytona.So they might be running at Daytona without full Dpi bodywork.That opens the door for others to run Dpi engine without Dpi bodywork.It is in IMSA hands now.....black and white with rules or going grey with the rules the first couple races/first season?

This problem is cause by IMSA dragging their feet with the new rules and the late delivery of the new 2017 P2 chassis..Everybody started late on programs.

HPD decided to wait and watch what IMSA is going to do with Dpi rules and BOP in 2017.They have a tight budget and it would be stupid to do a program that doesn't have rules set yet and might change per race in 2017 and maybe new rules for 2018!!!

The "run just the engine" thing is something people have been guessing will happen for some time now. It does make sense, TBH. You've got a car with the bodywork it was designed for, and an engine from a manufacturer. Why not use it if the special bodywork isn't fully ready? It's a much, much better idea than letting the old DPs back in at the 11th hour. Of course, I think most teams are selling their old DPs at this point anyway. I know WTR's cars are up on the block.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Makaze

Rumors I'm hearing from COTA pits this weekend.

The first two Dpi programs might not be 100% ready for Daytona.So they might be running at Daytona without full Dpi bodywork.That opens the door for others to run Dpi engine without Dpi bodywork.It is in IMSA hands now.....black and white with rules or going grey with the rules the first couple races/first season?

This problem is cause by IMSA dragging their feet with the new rules and the late delivery of the new 2017 P2 chassis..Everybody started late on programs.

HPD decided to wait and watch what IMSA is going to do with Dpi rules and BOP in 2017.They have a tight budget and it would be stupid to do a program that doesn't have rules set yet and might change per race in 2017 and maybe new rules for 2018!!!

The problem was NOT IMSA dragging their feet, it was the other entity in the equation that was the laggard.








L.P.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

The problem was NOT IMSA dragging their feet, it was the other entity in the equation that was the laggard.

Agree, the spec electrics seemed to be the holdup.

[Rcz]

I'm going to miss those old DPs. Those terrible ugly slow things. Though Gen3.5 seem to redeem them quite a bit, making look way better and they have great sound. I would like to see them in a exhibition race with real race tires

[TF110]

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Agree, the spec electrics seemed to be the holdup.

IMSA wanted to do the p2 route, no one forced them to. Instead of doing their own thing, they go and do an ACO thing, and still not have their cars eligible for an ACO event (Le Mans) Kinda ridiculous situation if you ask me.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by TF110

IMSA wanted to do the p2 route, no one forced them to. Instead of doing their own thing, they go and do an ACO thing, and still not have their cars eligible for an ACO event (Le Mans) Kinda ridiculous situation if you ask me.

Prepare to get shot down for that! I 100% agree and have posted it and been told my opinion is rubbish for it.

ACO: We have a new train set for 2017

IMSA: We need a new train set too because ours is just some old stuff mashed together and isn't very good. ACO, can we borrow your train set?

ACO: Well, OK. But if you're going to use our stuff then we have certain rules!

IMSA: No fair! We want it our way! But we want your stuff our way! And we want to play in your house too!

[CyberMotor]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

ACO: We have a new train set for 2017

IMSA: We need a new train set too because ours is just some old stuff mashed together and isn't very good. ACO, can we borrow your train set?

ACO: Well, OK. But if you're going to use our stuff then we have certain rules!

IMSA: No fair! We want it our way! But we want your stuff our way! And we want to play in your house too!

Your post is much too concise and to the point and, accurate.

Living in the USA, I want us to see us lead in these 21st Century technologies using our skills, capabilities and resources. I would rather see us using our advanced abilities here rather than in other areas.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by CyberMotor

Your post is much too concise and to the point and, accurate.

Living in the USA, I want us to see us lead in these 21st Century technologies using our skills, capabilities and resources. I would rather see us using our advanced abilities here rather than in other areas.

I think the rule makers are too far into the Nascar philosophy and feel that this series should emulate its relative simplicity. But that simplicity goes too far in to the regulations and were getting cars that might look ok, but are dumbed down so that no innovation can be had and there is no incentive to invest in technology. Not trying to be rude, but they can't cater only to 'hillbillies'.

[MagVanisher]

Um TF110, it's casuals and not hillbillies. Southerners are content with moonshine and big crashes at NASCAR all day.

But you know what, seems that IMSA are too hesitant to release the ruleset early so that manufactures can work on the cars for next year. The problem is their inability to make quick and sound decisions. Heck, they didn't think it over on adapting the LMP2 rules in the first place.