IMSA USCC in 2016 and 2017 - Page 175

carbsmith · 19 Sep 2016, 23:08 (Ref:3674206)

So how is that IMSA news?

Rodger Davies · 22 Sep 2016, 11:33 (Ref:3674219)

IMSA team, innit?

Pity they're not entering a car at PLM though.

**joeb** · 22 Sep 2016, 12:22 (Ref:3674240)

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Originally Posted by Rodger Davies

IMSA team, innit?

Pity they're not entering a car at PLM though.

They are entering one car for Sharp, Johannes, and Pipo. Trying to win that NAEC thing, although the dnf at Watkins realistically killed their chances unless the ACtion Express car crashes out early.

fieldodreams79 · 22 Sep 2016, 12:27 (Ref:3674242)

Simon Pags, Dixon, RHR and more added to PLM entry.

http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/13460...-le-mans-entry

Where's that race thread joeb?

Rodger Davies · 22 Sep 2016, 12:39 (Ref:3674245)

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Originally Posted by joeb

They are entering one car for Sharp, Johannes, and Pipo. Trying to win that NAEC thing, although the dnf at Watkins realistically killed their chances unless the ACtion Express car crashes out early.

Niiiice, didn't see that! Cheers.

HORNDAWG · 22 Sep 2016, 19:06 (Ref:3674328)

JDC-Miller Motorsport moving up from PC to the P class in '17 with an Oreca 07. LINK

L.P.

Matt · 22 Sep 2016, 19:15 (Ref:3674331)

...but IMSA is a dying series!

Matt · 22 Sep 2016, 19:19 (Ref:3674335)

So.

2x AXR
1x WTR
1x SDR
2x Mazda
2x ESM
1x JDC-Miller
1x PR1/Mathiasen

That looks like ten full-season P entries straight away.

Looks like PC will be a three horse race between Starworks and JDC-Miller's lone PC.

Fogelhund · 22 Sep 2016, 19:35 (Ref:3674339)

If there are indeed ten full season entries, that is a very healthy starting point for IMSA. Kudos... yes, I praised them, maybe even actually go see a race or two next year in person.

fieldodreams79 · 22 Sep 2016, 19:54 (Ref:3674345)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

If there are indeed ten full season entries, that is a very healthy starting point for IMSA. Kudos... yes, I praised them, maybe even actually go see a race or two next year in person.

Wow. Certainly meaningful, but you've always been the "sensible" one, eh?

I was a huge ALMS fan. I have always and will always support PLM (that's where the seed was really planted). I have been frustrated of late, but I've always found silver linings.

10? Full season? I'll believe it when I see them all show up but it's certainly moving in the right direction.

FormulaFox · 22 Sep 2016, 20:05 (Ref:3674349)

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Originally Posted by Matt

...but IMSA is a dying series!

According to who?

No, I'm seriously curious - I've heard(and contributed to) more than a few concerns about the current direction, but I've never heard anyone claim IMSA is dying.

Well, aside from the NASCAR nuts, at least, but they think everything BUT NASCAR is dying so no sane person counts them.

fieldodreams79 · 22 Sep 2016, 20:10 (Ref:3674351)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

Well, aside from the NASCAR nuts, at least, but they think everything BUT NASCAR is dying so no sane person counts them.

Oh do they now?

Nice generalization, though.

Bcarr6 · 22 Sep 2016, 21:14 (Ref:3674359)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

According to who?

No, I'm seriously curious - I've heard(and contributed to) more than a few concerns about the current direction, but I've never heard anyone claim IMSA is dying.

Well, aside from the NASCAR nuts, at least, but they think everything BUT NASCAR is dying so no sane person counts them.

I believe Matt was using sarcasm.

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FormulaFox · 22 Sep 2016, 22:02 (Ref:3674370)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Oh do they now?

Nice generalization, though.

Not a generalization - when I say "NASCAR nut" I'm not talking about NASCAR fans in general, I'm talking about the almost psychotic subsection of them that are convinced NASCAR is king to the point where if they went under they'd blame some sort of conspiracy instead of acknowledging NASCAR could have done anything wrong.

You know, the sort of nuttiness that makes one believe that IMCA being the oldest active motorsports sanctioning body in the world(which, BTW, it isn't) actually means something?

Bcarr6 · 22 Sep 2016, 22:26 (Ref:3674376)

I think the JDC announcement has at least finally put to rest notions that both A: IMSA is dying, and B: PC teams would never make the step up if you gave them an ultimatum

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FormulaFox · 22 Sep 2016, 22:40 (Ref:3674378)

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Originally Posted by Bcarr6

I think the JDC announcement has at least finally put to rest notions that both A: IMSA is dying, and B: PC teams would never make the step up if you gave them an ultimatum

It really hasn't. Notion A comes from people who will never acknowledge IMSA is doing okay even if they were on top of the world, and issue B isn't actually anything to do with the teams wanting to step up or not. It's with whether or not they could scrounge up the money to do so - many of their cash cow Am drivers had no interest in racing in Prototype, and without them the teams need money to be ABLE to move up. The issue was whether or not such teams would FIND that money.

And keep in mind, we only have two PC teams reliably confirmed to be stepping up right now, so it's not actually saying much right now.

fieldodreams79 · 22 Sep 2016, 23:21 (Ref:3674382)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

Not a generalization - when I say "NASCAR nut" I'm not talking about NASCAR fans in general, I'm talking about the almost psychotic subsection of them that are convinced NASCAR is king to the point where if they went under they'd blame some sort of conspiracy instead of acknowledging NASCAR could have done anything wrong.

You know, the sort of nuttiness that makes one believe that IMCA being the oldest active motorsports sanctioning body in the world(which, BTW, it isn't) actually means something?

Thanks for the elaboration, even though you still fail to make a point as to how this is at all relevant to the conversation here.

FormulaFox · 23 Sep 2016, 00:25 (Ref:3674405)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Thanks for the elaboration, even though you still fail to make a point as to how this is at all relevant to the conversation here.

I was trying to determine if Matt was seriously referring to some specific group of people who thought IMSA was about to die. That was merely part of the inquiry - specifying that I'm asking if it's more than the normal blind nutballs.

fieldodreams79 · 23 Sep 2016, 00:52 (Ref:3674410)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

I was trying to determine if Matt was seriously referring to some specific group of people who thought IMSA was about to die. That was merely part of the inquiry - specifying that I'm asking if it's more than the normal blind nutballs.

One could certainly come to the conclusion that some here thought it was dying from their posts over the last couple of years, but you certainly inquired about that by lashing out at something else. I don't get it.

MoMedic9019 · 23 Sep 2016, 01:18 (Ref:3674417)

I think an important part to remember is that we don't know where anyone stands other than those who've announced.

Someone had to jump first and that was ESM.

fieldodreams79 · 23 Sep 2016, 01:25 (Ref:3674421)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

I think an important part to remember is that we don't know where anyone stands other than those who've announced.

Someone had to jump first and that was ESM.

Thank you for bringing us back to the current conversation.

There was smoke with ESM. There seems to be smoke with others.

MaskedRacer · 23 Sep 2016, 01:55 (Ref:3674434)

LMPC in 2017 could be a concern in terms of driver quality even more than ever. What remains will be mainly ride buyers. I bet Daytona/Sebring will still see 8-10 cars but I bet after that it will dip below 5.

Mr. Dagys on S365 seems optimistic that the GTLM field will remain stable from this year to next.

GTD is going to grow I think. I really hope the WeatherTech team comes back. I think there is a chance that will be the case. Same for Timmy P. 2016 saw about 13 full season runners. Perhaps in 2017 that will push 18.

I think IMSA may have to reconsider the class structure for a couple of the races due to higher grids. Long Beach in particular. Either DPI or GTD may have to get the boot for that event. Detroit and Laguna Seca may need a look too.

MoMedic9019 · 23 Sep 2016, 02:00 (Ref:3674439)

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Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

LMPC in 2017 could be a concern in terms of driver quality even more than ever. What remains will be mainly ride buyers. I bet Daytona/Sebring will still see 8-10 cars but I bet after that it will dip below 5.

Mr. Dagys on S365 seems optimistic that the GTLM field will remain stable from this year to next.

GTD is going to grow I think. I really hope the WeatherTech team comes back. I think there is a chance that will be the case. Same for Timmy P. 2016 saw about 13 full season runners. Perhaps in 2017 that will push 18.

I think IMSA may have to reconsider the class structure for a couple of the races due to higher grids. Long Beach in particular. Either DPI or GTD may have to get the boot for that event. Detroit and Laguna Seca may need a look too.

I'd be quite surprised to see an LMPC class even around... I'd bet there will be less than 5 cars.

FormulaFox · 23 Sep 2016, 02:24 (Ref:3674445)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

One could certainly come to the conclusion that some here thought it was dying from their posts over the last couple of years, but you certainly inquired about that by lashing out at something else. I don't get it.

I didn't "lash out" at anything. I simply made clear that I was wondering if he was referring to something other than the obvious - something I could have missed.

FormulaFox · 23 Sep 2016, 02:28 (Ref:3674447)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

I'd be quite surprised to see an LMPC class even around... I'd bet there will be less than 5 cars.

I wouldn't be surprised to see an increase from a bunch of "last hurrah" entries in the class since the cars will have nowhere to race afterwards, but I'm not gonna predict anything.

But such entries could be...hazardous to the rest of the field, to say the least. So probably better to hope for a decrease in this case.

IMSA will stick to keeping the class around if they get any entries, though.

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