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Sucks for them anyway. Like someone said in Sportscar365 manufacturers should only be allowed in LMP1 and GT. Pretty sure the Aco doesn´t care in wich way the IMSA wants to destroy itself.
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They don't really want manufacturers. They want manufacturer branding. This mindset that makes them cousins to SRO, but for different and worse reasons.
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But manufacturers want to be there. At Daytona, Sebring, Petit. IMSA gets the brand, the manufacturers get their bragging rights. Basically Le Mans. I think it would be best to leave them separate but P's allowed to compete at Le Mans if they win the automatic invites. Variety is the spice of life and all that, and of course series identification.
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I have no problem if Coyote designs (and builds) a P2 car with some input from GM designers and calls it a Chevrolet or Corvette with a GM engine in it. And Riley doing the same with Ford.
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I don't mind it either, but I want a Corvette or Ford GT (which is impossible) P2 car to have extreme bodywork instead of a 100% carbon copy of the original!
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I see no problem with factories pairing up with P2 manufacturers to build prototypes that fit their racing objectives as long as they keep them in the cost windows and ensure that privateers all have equal access to machinery. This is what Mazda has done with Multimatic/Lola and HPD did with Wirth. Are people opposed to this? I actually kind of hope that it shakes out that way at the end of the day. GM continuing a partnership with Coyote and Ford with Riley does seem to make a lot of sense on paper.
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the sooner it happens the better, the GM LS engine will make a great P2 engine, lots of capacity, low revs for good fuel economy, lots and lots of torque, with adequate power......will be very reliable as a result......unlike..... Was anyone surprised to see the Kron-Judd blow its motor at Daytona......I wasnt......I think they made a great deascision on going for the Ligier chassis, but a terrible one going for the Judd motor, especially when the HPD and DP motors have so much more torque....... because of this in my opinion the Judd motor just cannot compete in terms of acelleration with the DP's and HPD......I think its only a matter of time before Kron change their engine for a Nissan 4.5 Litre item........dont delay and do it quickly I'd say. |
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Nah Lmp2´s in TUSC are slower. I know it has to do mainly with the tires. It is just engine failure. It happens from time to time. Bad luck
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Rest assured all the LMP2 engine suppliers are always developing and pushing the envelope, within the regs laid out.......I am sure Kron will have many more engine failures this season...... the Judd-BMW unit is over stressed and revs too high for LMP2 endurance racing......Judd took a 4.0 Litre standard BMW engine and for some reason......I suspect low friction, with lower rod to bore angles....... down sized it to 3.6 litre and increased the revs to 10,000rpm.......really I think they went the wrong direction when you consider what Nissan did and how much success they have had with their 4.5 Litre lower revving LMP2 engine........the facts speak for themselves, Judd went the wrong direction.......Kron made a bad descision
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Maximum LMP2 straight line speed at LM 2014 (event) Judd-BMW 309,1 km/h Nissan 309,1 km/h HPD 307,3 km/h 2013 (event) Judd-BMW 307,3 km/h Nissan 307,3 km/h HPD 298,8 km/h 2012 (event) Nissan 320,4 km/h (wtf) Judd-BMW 308,6 km/h HPD 303,5 km/h 2011 (event) HPD 306,8 km/h Judd-BMW 305,1 km/h Nissan 302,5 km/h 2010 (race) HPD 313,x km/h Judd-BMW 308,x km/h Zytek 304,x km/h |
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2012 Nissan top speed was the DeltaWing, wasn't it?
And I noticed that in 2014 the Oreca chassis was the quicker chassis based on top speed. |
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No, Murphy, which is strange as it was 11,4km/h faster than the second fastest P2 at 308,6 AND with the slowened down cost cap production engine that figure is way up.
DW was just 309,5 This was the first time I noticed it, the last time I did graph of this for the LM-section I must've missed it. Maybe it's a typo, but it appears in another ACO sheet as well so maybe not. |
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Sard will be in lmp2, team called "Team SARD Morand" with an as yet to be named car. Dome planning to test in Aragon from the 31st, and at least 5 teams are set for wec lmp2.
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