WEC 2024: Round 5 - Sao Paulo - Page 18

J Jay · 14 Jul 2024, 20:26 (Ref:4219390)

#7 passes #51, now in 4th following #38 drive-through.

**Adam43** · 14 Jul 2024, 20:26 (Ref:4219391)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matador

Kobayashiiiiiiii Holy Crap!!

pulling a Mansell. Outside then dive down the inside. Wooooo.

Gerard C · 14 Jul 2024, 20:27 (Ref:4219392)

And the #7 back from nowhere. Whatta car!

Articus · 14 Jul 2024, 20:28 (Ref:4219393)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam43

Second in GT #27 Heart of racing:

And also

Phew!

I'm curious why the 38 got drive through, and the 12 only a reprimand. Did the 12 car already have previous technical infringement?

Articus · 14 Jul 2024, 20:29 (Ref:4219394)

Without the FCY, Kobayashi might have been on the podium?

veeten · 14 Jul 2024, 20:31 (Ref:4219395)

Final lap!

**Adam43** · 14 Jul 2024, 20:32 (Ref:4219396)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Articus

I'm curious why the 38 got drive through, and the 12 only a reprimand. Did the 12 car already have previous technical infringement?

I was wondering that.

#12:
16:25:47 Race Control CAR 12 - REPRIMAND - TECHNICAL INFRINGEMENT
16:25:24 Race Control CAR 12 - UNDER INVESTIGATION - TECHNICAL INFRINGEMENT
14:50:26 Race Control CAR 12 - 5 SECONDS ADDED TO THE NEXT PIT STOP - LEAVING THE TRACK AND GAINING A LASTING ADVANTAGE
14:34:05 Race Control CAR 12 - NATO - UNDER INVESTIGATION - OVERTAKING BEYOND THE TRACK LIMITS AT T5 AT 152928
12:12:11 Race Control CAR 12 - REPRIMAND - TECHNICAL INFRINGEMENT
12:11:59 Race Control CAR 12 - UNDER INVESTIGATION - TECHNICAL INFRINGEMENT
11:31:25 Race Control CAR 12 - 30 SECONDS STOP AND GO PENALTY - INCIDENT AT T4 AT 121029
11:12:55 Race Control CAR 12 STEVENS - CAR 6 VANTHOOR - UNDER INVESTIGATION - CONTACT AT T4 AT 121029

#38
16:19:41 Race Control CAR 38 - 5 SECONDS STOP AND GO PENALTY - TECHNICAL INFRINGEMENT
16:19:17 Race Control CAR 38 - UNDER INVESTIGATION - TECHNICAL INFRINGEMENT
13:35:57 Race Control CAR 38 - REPRIMAND - TECHNICAL INFRINGEMENT
13:35:46 Race Control CAR 38 - UNDER INVESTIGATION - TECHNICAL INFRINGEMENT

Presumably the same technical infringement for #38? So it was upgraded?

Gerard C · 14 Jul 2024, 20:32 (Ref:4219397)

Well done Toyota and Penske.

**Adam43** · 14 Jul 2024, 20:32 (Ref:4219398)

Well done Toyota and Manthey Porsche.

Matador · 14 Jul 2024, 20:34 (Ref:4219399)

Honestly, what a drive by the #7 crew.

**joeb** · 14 Jul 2024, 20:36 (Ref:4219400)

6 manufacturers in top 10 of hypercar. Peugeot BMW Alpine in 8, 9, 10.

Articus · 14 Jul 2024, 20:37 (Ref:4219401)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam43

I was wondering that.

#12:
16:25:47 Race Control CAR 12 - REPRIMAND - TECHNICAL INFRINGEMENT
16:25:24 Race Control CAR 12 - UNDER INVESTIGATION - TECHNICAL INFRINGEMENT
14:50:26 Race Control CAR 12 - 5 SECONDS ADDED TO THE NEXT PIT STOP - LEAVING THE TRACK AND GAINING A LASTING ADVANTAGE
14:34:05 Race Control CAR 12 - NATO - UNDER INVESTIGATION - OVERTAKING BEYOND THE TRACK LIMITS AT T5 AT 152928
12:12:11 Race Control CAR 12 - REPRIMAND - TECHNICAL INFRINGEMENT
12:11:59 Race Control CAR 12 - UNDER INVESTIGATION - TECHNICAL INFRINGEMENT
11:31:25 Race Control CAR 12 - 30 SECONDS STOP AND GO PENALTY - INCIDENT AT T4 AT 121029
11:12:55 Race Control CAR 12 STEVENS - CAR 6 VANTHOOR - UNDER INVESTIGATION - CONTACT AT T4 AT 121029

#38
16:19:41 Race Control CAR 38 - 5 SECONDS STOP AND GO PENALTY - TECHNICAL INFRINGEMENT
16:19:17 Race Control CAR 38 - UNDER INVESTIGATION - TECHNICAL INFRINGEMENT
13:35:57 Race Control CAR 38 - REPRIMAND - TECHNICAL INFRINGEMENT
13:35:46 Race Control CAR 38 - UNDER INVESTIGATION - TECHNICAL INFRINGEMENT

Presumably the same technical infringement for #38? So it was upgraded?

That makes sense. I believe that is how it works.

Articus · 14 Jul 2024, 20:38 (Ref:4219402)

This was a good race for me. Lots of on track battles. Lots of hard racing. Porsche continues their consistency run, reaching the podium in 4 out of 5 events so far.

kartman24 · 14 Jul 2024, 20:39 (Ref:4219403)

Toyota in a different class, they need a BOP kicking before the next round..........

E.B · 14 Jul 2024, 20:39 (Ref:4219404)

Peugeot and Alpine top 10. The French Revolution. Let them eat cakes. Or brioche.

tomcug · 14 Jul 2024, 20:40 (Ref:4219405)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerard C

Well done Toyota and Penske.

+1, Penske maximized their points, Toyota was simply out of anyone's reach with this BOP.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Articus

This was a good race for me. Lots of on track battles. Lots of hard racing. Porsche continues their consistency run, reaching the podium in 4 out of 5 events so far.

Indeed, was a very decent race with nice amount of good battles between Porsche and Ferrari (and more).

Gerard C · 14 Jul 2024, 20:43 (Ref:4219407)

Quote:

Originally Posted by E.B

Peugeot and Alpine top 10. The French Revolution. Let them eat cakes. Or brioche.

Champagne! Vanessa Froofroo will sell a lot of 505's.

helgi · 14 Jul 2024, 20:58 (Ref:4219408)

They need better timing graphics. When there were only 3 cars in LMP1 it was not that difficult to follow the strategies. Today with 100 of cars in the leading class it's impossible to get in mind all the variations. It's even impossible to follow which tyres they use. If you are not a fan of some team and you concentrate only on their race (or only the leaders), it's almost impossible to understand the complete scenario of the race even if commentators do their best.

Articus · 14 Jul 2024, 21:05 (Ref:4219411)

Quote:

Originally Posted by helgi

They need better timing graphics. When there were only 3 cars in LMP1 it was not that difficult to follow the strategies. Today with 100 of cars in the leading class it's impossible to get in mind all the variations. It's even impossible to follow which tyres they use. If you are not a fan of some team and you concentrate only on their race (or only the leaders), it's almost impossible to understand the complete scenario of the race even if commentators do their best.

I agree. It should show tire compound, tire age, and stint energy in the live timing.

**Adam43** · 14 Jul 2024, 21:17 (Ref:4219414)

Quote:

Originally Posted by helgi

They need better timing graphics. When there were only 3 cars in LMP1 it was not that difficult to follow the strategies. Today with 100 of cars in the leading class it's impossible to get in mind all the variations. It's even impossible to follow which tyres they use. If you are not a fan of some team and you concentrate only on their race (or only the leaders), it's almost impossible to understand the complete scenario of the race even if commentators do their best.

The timing they provide on the website is ace and you can supplement it with Timing71. However, info on the tyres would be a big bonus and they could also copy the IMSA energy remaining chart (but not round to 5%).

**Adam43** · 14 Jul 2024, 21:27 (Ref:4219417)

Race Positions at the 6 hour mark (236 laps)

It is a legal requirement that you click on this YouTube link before you look at the table.

Pos	FP1	FP2	FP3	QGT	HGT	Qhy	Hhy	(Q)	H 0	H 1	H 2	H 3	H 4	H 5	H 6
1	93	8	12			5	7	7	7	7	7	5	8	8	8
2	2	7	5			12	8	8	8	8	5	51	5	51	6
3	6	51	6			7	5	5	5	5	51	93	51	38	5
4	8	50	35			51	2	2	2	51	2	50	38	5	7
5	83	2	15			50	6	6	6	12	93	8	12	12	51
6	20	12	63			2	50	50	50	2	50	38	93	50	50
7	50	38	38			8	12	12	12	38	99	63	50	7	38
8	7	83	50			20	38	38	38	50	63	36	7	93	93
9	5	99	83			38	51	51	51	83	38	15	15	6	15
10	11	20	93			6	20	20	20	36	94	94	36	15	36
11	15	93	36			36		36	36	20	15	6	35	36	83
12	35	35	94			99		99	99	93	35	35	6	20	35
13	36	6	7			35		35	35	94	36	7	20	35	2
14	99	5	8			15		15	15	15	8	99	94	94	20
15	51	94	2			83		83	83	99	11	2	99	99	99
16	63	63	51			94		94	94	11	6	83	2	2	94
17	94	36	99			93		93	93	63	12	12	63	83	63
18	38	11	11			63		63	63	35	20	20	83	63	12
19	12	15	20			11		11	11	6	83	11	11	92	92
20	59	87	92	85	85			85	85	85	92	92	92	27	27
21	27	60	95	92	92			92	92	92	85	85	27	95	95
22	777	55	85	95	95			95	95	55	27	27	95	55	59
23	60	82	59	55	59			59	59	27	95	95	59	59	46
24	85	27	82	27	91			91	91	95	87	87	46	46	55
25	55	95	54	81	31			31	31	46	59	46	87	81	77
26	31	92	27	59	55			55	55	59	46	59	81	77	81
27	46	77	91	54	81			81	81	81	81	81	55	31	777
28	95	59	777	91	27			27	27	31	55	55	77	777	31
29	87	88	88	31	54			54	54	82	77	77	31	87	87
30	82	85	55	77				77	77	77	31	31	777	88	91
31	92	54	87	46				46	46	88	777	777	88	91	88
32	54	31	60	82				82	82	87	82	82	91	60	60
33	88	81	81	777				777	777	777	60	88	60	54	54
34	81	91	46	87				87	87	60	88	60	82	11
35	91	46	77	60				60	60	91	91	91	85	82
36	78	777	31	88				88	88	54	54	54	54
37	77	78

tomcug · 14 Jul 2024, 21:45 (Ref:4219422)

Thx for final update, good job

Matador · 14 Jul 2024, 22:11 (Ref:4219423)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Articus

I agree. It should show tire compound, tire age, and stint energy in the live timing.

YES!!! Even the live broadcast really doesn't show the stint energy often enough.

**Adam43** · 15 Jul 2024, 00:33 (Ref:4219426)

Average Lap time

Rank	Car	Fastest	Top 50	Top 100	Top 150	Laps
1	27 Aston Martin	1:35.919	1:36.664	1:37.200	1:37.732	213
2	92 Porsche	1:36.486	1:37.181	1:37.490	1:37.792	214
3	95 McLaren	1:36.384	1:37.214	1:37.654	1:38.069	213
4	81 Corvette	1:36.195	1:37.175	1:37.686	1:38.221	212
5	55 Ferrari	1:35.882	1:37.224	1:37.705	1:38.148	212
6	777 Aston Martin	1:36.043	1:37.257	1:37.712	1:38.172	212
7	59 McLaren	1:36.228	1:37.385	1:37.841	1:38.258	212
8	54 Ferrari	1:36.341	1:37.410	1:37.991	1:38.566	191
9	77 Ford	1:36.347	1:37.529	1:37.999	1:38.442	212
10	46 BMW	1:36.862	1:37.693	1:38.013	1:38.392	212
11	60 Lamborghini	1:36.270	1:37.533	1:38.020	1:38.809	208
12	91 Porsche	1:37.024	1:37.774	1:38.057	1:38.356	209
13	85 Lamborghini	1:35.777	1:37.536	1:38.135	NA	139
14	31 BMW	1:37.018	1:37.822	1:38.178	1:38.522	211
15	87 Lexus	1:36.787	1:37.620	1:38.196	1:38.800	211
16	88 Ford	1:36.531	1:37.928	1:38.576	1:39.381	208
17	82 Corvette	1:36.638	1:38.250	1:38.987	NA	133

The Heart of Racing Aston had the speed, but a bit of a mess up with strategy (took on too much fuel) and penalties did not help. Also, the more and more laps we include the close the winner gets in average lap time.

**Adam43** · 15 Jul 2024, 00:41 (Ref:4219428)

We've been fascinated with Top Speed measurement. A wider range than normal leading us to speculate about the positioning of the trap. Certainly we've seen the cars do higher with on board telemetry.

Anyway here it is from the race:
Average Maximum Speed

Rank	Car	Top Speed	Top 50	Top 100	Top 150	Most Common
1	8 Toyota	282.6	269.6	267.0	265.1	262.2
2	6 Porsche	278.3	269.0	266.2	264.0	262.8
3	5 Porsche	274.8	267.4	264.8	262.7	259.7
4	83 Ferrari	275.5	266.3	263.8	261.6	262.2
5	51 Ferrari	273.4	266.4	263.7	261.5	262.2
6	12 Porsche	274.8	266.2	262.9	259.9	261.6
7	93 Peugeot	271.3	265.2	262.6	260.2	256.7
8	7 Toyota	269.3	263.8	261.7	259.9	258.5
9	38 Porsche	272.7	263.8	260.2	257.0	252.5
10	15 BMW	274.8	263.5	259.2	255.9	250.8
11	99 Porsche	270.7	261.2	258.4	256.3	256.1
12	20 BMW	267.4	261.4	256.9	253.7	252.5
13	94 Peugeot	268.7	259.2	256.9	255.0	253.1
14	2 Cadillac	268.0	256.7	253.8	251.8	250.2
15	50 Ferrari	269.3	256.2	253.0	250.4	252.5
16	63 Lamborghini	259.7	251.9	249.9	248.2	247.3
17	36 Alpine	266.0	252.4	248.2	245.1	241.9
18	11 Isotta Fraschini	259.1	250.8	248.0	243.8	249.0
19	35 Alpine	256.7	248.3	245.8	244.0	241.3

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