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I don't go with the 'as he should be' bit, unless he can finish the season with the kind of flourish with which he started it. I'm feeling that his time is coming to a close...
I personally think it would be a very bad move. Anyone who takes that second seat risks being snuffed out by the Horner/Marko/Verstappen machine. He's better off staying where he is and pressing on with the Williams improvement... |
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To a certain extent, that is what is happening to Perez, except he hasn't been completely snuffed out because RBR would like him to finish as runner up, which they just missed out on last year. They will keep him as long as they need him to fulfill his role, which is essentially as the number two driver. |
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Ricciardo had as much F1 racimg experience as Lawson this year and overall I would venture the Kiwi did a better job with what he had. Unless DR pulls something special out of the drawer in the last few rounds, I just don't see the value in running him next year.. |
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https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/pe...bull/10537163/
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His pace is fine. Why do I say that? Because Max was consistently doing 1.40'1.41 over the second half of the race. No one got anywhere near the pole times under 1.35 or Q3 times. Yuki did the fastest race lap and he wasn't in Q3. The race was about conserving tyres,, and getting the car to the finish in good shape. Strategy. If Red Bull want to get perez back to early season form then they need to be tailoring the set up for his car to be what is best for him, not trying to get him to match Max with Max's set ups. Checo is perfectly capable of driving quick enough to win races, or second to Max, score podiums, etc, in a dominant car that is set up to suit his preferential style. No driver drives consistently at or near the front in a car he doesn't have confidence in. Kimi, Massa, Schumacher, Alonso, Hamilton or max. Non of them do. Pundits who are expecting Perez to do so is just insane. |
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Its all a built up Media Train to railroad him out. Still holding strong in the standings. |
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In terms of competitiveness of car, and in comparison to their teammate - 2010 was a much better year for the RBR #2. |
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I see the point missed as often.
The history books will show the first Red Bull 1-2 in the points. RB PR machine remains as effective as ever. The endless overthinking is simply BS and RBR use the noise to hoover up Latin sponsors. |
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That is literally the point that I, and several others, have made in this thread.
However, since we're missing points, I should point out that this fact hasn't mattered much to RBR management, who have continually criticised him. And that is why we're having this discussion. |
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The difference between 2010 and now, is Perez is on target to be runner up, which Webber wasn't. Perez just missed out on being runner up last year and I'm sure that's something RBR would want to achieve. |
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It doesn't mean that it is the best RBR #2 performance though. If you look at how far behind Max he is, then it looks like a sub-par performance benefitted by a car that is way in front of the field. It will always be subjective though. |
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I think what looks like a sub-par performance is primarily due to the car being dialed in to suit Max. As Teretonga said in post #430 ''If Red Bull want to get Perez back to early season form then they need to be tailoring the set up for his car to be what is best for him, not trying to get him to match Max with Max's set ups.'' |
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perhaps this is less of a compromise early season vs late season where they may now be thinking more of getting a march on next season where RB will face more restrictions on their money and time relative to the other teams (due the the cap rules right?). while a 1-2 finish would be great but surely securing 1st place with Max next year is a greater priority than developing a car that Perez likes more? in that light, securing a 2nd driver whose style is more similar to Max' preferences might mean that that 2nd driver would then have a car that suits them better while not having to compromise on additional help in setting up/optimizing Max' car? anyways, its the 2nd seat of one of the most dominate cars ever...only natural to speculate what could have been had someone else been in it imo! |
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I know there have always been stories of a driver not being able to get his setup correct and then just copying his teammates setup. And then some level of keeping setups secret from each other. Usually when the teammates are battling each other for the championship. I can expect that you can adjust a car to more fit your style, but if you are fighting the nature of the car (and it's natural window for it's best performance), you might create a setup that works for you, is easy to drive and lastly... slow. Who knows what is going on within RBR with respect to setup. My general impression is that Perez's problems are less with the car than himself. But the following statement also likely fits in... Quote:
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Checo this year is nowhere near even threatening that, but will still probably fall into P2 thanks to the best car on the grid. |
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Checo needs the full support of his team. To be fair Horner has been more constructive in his criticism than Marko has.
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It is being reported that the 24 RBR had failed FIA crash tests.
It seems the same happened previously, but never this late in the development schedule. Could they start 24 on the back foot? |
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I'm sure that I'm not mistaken that I read an online article from one of the reputable motor sport magazines fairly recently that the crash testing is now done in a computer generated virtual scenario rather that using actual racing cars. If this is actually correct, I wouldn't think that it would take too much time to correct the computer generated car to meet the required criteria.
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