[WEC] Peugeot Sport returning to WEC

[Akrapovic]

ByKolles should rename themselves to LeKolles. Or Prescarolo. Might be allowed to race with a name like that.

[CTD]

Sounds a bit like an attempt to gain some attentention in all the GTP announcements

[Simmi]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

...will also be interesting that if they dont, how flexible the ACO/WEC will be on letting them race the last couple of rounds in 2022.

I think we all know the answer to this. I get the Kolles comparisons but it's hard to compare whatever you could describe that effort as vs a multi-year manufacturer commitment. And that's before you throw the French angle in.

We know jokers are available to hypercar manufacturers. I maintain it's a huge F-up if they aren't on the grid at Spa, and thus Le Mans.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by Simmi

I think we all know the answer to this. I get the Kolles comparisons but it's hard to compare whatever you could describe that effort as vs a multi-year manufacturer commitment. And that's before you throw the French angle in.

We know jokers are available to hypercar manufacturers. I maintain it's a huge F-up if they aren't on the grid at Spa, and thus Le Mans.

I think we know the answer, but its a rather dissapointing one given the pressure put on the likes of Glickenhaus who commited way earlier than Pug

[Simmi]

Maybe the ACO will play relative hardball. Who knows. That article did say Pug only found out about the Spa stipulation via the media.

The ACO's hand is probably strong enough right now that they could do this. Effectively saying race the full season from Spa or you aren't racing at all this year. That would surely force Pug to get their award-winning car off the trailer.

From a financial and marketing perspective, no Peugeot really hurts the ACO I'd imagine from a domestic crowd PoV at LM. You're effectively inviting people to watch a re-run of last year's race without them - except Toyota will have drastically improved their car.



I guess the key difference between Pug and Glickenhaus is that Pug aren't trying to disrespect the rest of the WEC. They are literally considering missing the biggest race and debuting later with no fanfare. I understand Jim's rationale completely but he was looking to pick and choose markets and save money.

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

Well, interesting news from Pug today, on whether they will make it to Le Mans or not....

...will also be interesting that if they dont, how flexible the ACO/WEC will be on letting them race the last couple of rounds in 2022

https://www.motorsport.com/lemans/ne...ision/8165306/

According to what is reported on this article, they didn't even know how long their car can actually last since they made 9x8 come back to the pits everytime they were feeling something was wrong... quite funny considering the paragraph above tells "the key thing is reliability".
To get a 5 years homologation for a car so clearly premature and underdeveloed looks like a suicide to me, it's not they can really upgrade hybrid, chassis, aero or engine in 2 weeks.

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

ByKolles should rename themselves to LeKolles. Or Prescarolo. Might be allowed to race with a name like that.

ByKolles in french is ParKolles, which could work for a golf team

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by canaglia

ByKolles in french is ParKolles, which could work for a golf team

Should do the Graff route and paint a giant tricolour on the car, just so there's no doubt at all. Give all the drivers Gauloises to smoke in the pit lane between stints.

[FIRE]

Besides the racing project maybe Peugeot also a separate sponsor budget for Le Mans and WEC events which keeps ACO happy?

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by canaglia

According to what is reported on this article, they didn't even know how long their car can actually last since they made 9x8 come back to the pits everytime they were feeling something was wrong... quite funny considering the paragraph above tells "the key thing is reliability".
To get a 5 years homologation for a car so clearly premature and underdeveloed looks like a suicide to me, it's not they can really upgrade hybrid, chassis, aero or engine in 2 weeks.

Indeed, i find it ironic that Peugoet are using the same homologation arguments that Glick used last year (and got slated for in the wider public/ media)

from the outside looking in, the project does look a little rushed to make this years championship...and would probably benefit from delaying until 2023.

(which is fine by me....hoping to attend LM23)

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

Indeed, i find it ironic that Peugoet are using the same homologation arguments that Glick used last year (and got slated for in the wider public/ media)

from the outside looking in, the project does look a little rushed to make this years championship...and would probably benefit from delaying until 2023.

(which is fine by me....hoping to attend LM23)

Yeah, that's what happens when PR managment has more influence than racing division on racing programs...
by far they only seem to know that real life car works like their simulation model and not much more... it's a take or leave, what can realistically change in two weeks? Toyota was succesfully doing 30H tests since october 2020 and GR010 shown to be everything but perfect and bulletproof.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by canaglia

Yeah, that's what happens when PR managment has more influence than racing division on racing programs...
by far they only seem to know that real life car works like their simulation model and not much more... it's a take or leave, what can realistically change in two weeks? Toyota was succesfully doing 30H tests since october 2020 and GR010 shown to be everything but perfect and bulletproof.

Yeh and lets be honest, even after those 30 hour tests, Toyota were still finding issues in the LM24.

For the sake of future competition, and while it would be dissapointing not to see them this year, i would far rather have Pug make the right long term decision than rush into it and be another Nissan....

[Adam43]

A little summary of the Pug so far:
https://www.autosport.com/wec/news/1...o-far/8228428/

They haven’t decided on who will be paired with who.

Tyre, engine, aero.

And, of course, when it will race! Who knows!

[TF110]

If they miss Spa there's no way they're allowed at Le Mans right? I'd love to see them there but if that happens the ACO has some big explaining to do to the likes of ByKolles. It's an interesting scenario I'm eager to watch unfold.

[hondafan37]

Honestly, I have the feeling that the development of the Porsche LMDH is more advanced than this Peugeot LMH.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by TF110

If they miss Spa there's no way they're allowed at Le Mans right? I'd love to see them there but if that happens the ACO has some big explaining to do to the likes of ByKolles. It's an interesting scenario I'm eager to watch unfold.

Well none of that was new in that article, which was just a summary of all currently known.

And yes, that is what is expected. Need to race before Le Mans to get in Spa.

But the lack of ByKolles entry is more than just not committing to other races: https://tentenths.com/forum/showthre...41869&page=105

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by Adam43

A little summary of the Pug so far:
https://www.autosport.com/wec/news/1...o-far/8228428/

They haven’t decided on who will be paired with who.

Tyre, engine, aero.

And, of course, when it will race! Who knows!

Aero indeed. Has anyone opened a book yet on how big the Pug wing will turn out to be.....?

[AndrewCherry]

Can I have 30p on a massive Pikes Peak special please? The kind that looks like someone's nailed a bunk bed to the diffuser.

[S griffin]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Peugeot try that out. It's something that they've done many a time in the past and they would no doubt love to take on that hill again

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by AndrewCherry

Can I have 30p on a massive Pikes Peak special please? The kind that looks like someone's nailed a bunk bed to the diffuser.

This is the one for Peugeot, surely....?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uk0Nw3vadps/maxresdefault.jpg

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

This is the one for Peugeot, surely....?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uk0Nw3vadps/maxresdefault.jpg

Isn’t it fun that we can go - look at the massive wing on that, isn’t it great. And also look at the Peugeot and go - No wing, isn’t it great.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Isn’t it fun that we can go - look at the massive wing on that, isn’t it great. And also look at the Peugeot and go - No wing, isn’t it great.

If indeed it has no wing.....

[Adam43]

After stealing all the hair from his Dad’s head Kevin Magnussen May race with his Dad at Le Mans this year if Peugeot don’t enter.

https://www.autosport.com/le-mans/ne...entry/8464223/

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Adam43

After stealing all the hair from his Dad’s head Kevin Magnussen May race with his Dad at Le Mans this year if Peugeot don’t enter.

https://www.autosport.com/le-mans/ne...entry/8464223/

I really enjoy the multi generational driver lineups, and like the Mags a lot. However, what is the telling us about the Peugeot entry possibilities? Will this happen at all this year?

[Akrapovic]

https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/...ercar/8485942/ Return delayed