[iV8SC15R25] SuperCheap Auto Bathurst 1000: 8-11 Oct (WITH POLL)

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by CDM

Ford flavoured or not, to me its a pretty clear breach of the rules that went unpunished...

Yep, that warrants a drive-thru if what is printed is correct.

[Armco Bender]

Looks clear cut to my unbiased eyes.

FORD WINS BATHURST 2015......

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

Looks clear cut to my unbiased eyes.

FORD WINS BATHURST 2015......

You cant play ifs or buts. Otherwise if there was a penalty, JW would have pitted and been miles in front, so JW wins bathurst.

[ford71]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

You cant play ifs or buts. Otherwise if there was a penalty, JW would have pitted and been miles in front, so JW wins bathurst.

I agree that had Craig been penalised everything that followed would have been different.....Jamie certainly would not have had the SC issue.

But if there was to be a postrace protest and it was decided Craig should be penalised they wouldn't care about the what-would-have-occurred scenario. He'd lose his spot off the podium, everyone gets shuffled along (Coulthard would get the third he was robbed of too)

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by ford71

I agree that had Craig been penalised everything that followed would have been different.....Jamie certainly would not have had the SC issue.

But if there was to be a postrace protest and it was decided Craig should be penalised they wouldn't care about the what-would-have-occurred scenario. He'd lose his spot off the podium, everyone gets shuffled along (Coulthard would get the third he was robbed of too)

Coulthard robbed himself by outbraking himself. If anything Reynolds was robbed by a low % move by Coulthard.

If they were to give a post race penalty for that, they'd have to give Frosty a post race penalty for his unsafe release, then they go down the line for almost every driver and give penalties that were due.

[ford71]

ha, yeah I wont disagree and I'm glad these minor incidents were ignored
(still annoyed Perkins had his race ruined last year with only a few to go for a similar incident to Frostys)
According to the rules, Craigs incident is clear cut. Frostys pit incident can fall either way based on someones opinion of whats minor and whats dangerous.

But your last sentence suggests the stewards then are currently fairly hopeless.


(I mentioned Coulthard being robbed in light of what seems to be a freekick for Tander during the last SC mess)

[coln72]

and his bump and run on one of the Nissans......

(maybe the first hit at was retaliation for the Nissan squeezing him up Mountain Straight, but the second hit pushed the Nissan wide and he gained a place).

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by coln72

and his bump and run on one of the Nissans......

(maybe the first hit at was retaliation for the Nissan squeezing him up Mountain Straight, but the second hit pushed the Nissan wide and he gained a place).

That one was fair play in my eyes. Tander would have all but had the move done if the nissan didn't try and drive him into the fence. I'm sure thats what racecontrol thought also (hence no penalty)

[Axeman444]

Not sure which race you were watching Stealthy, but Owen was clear of the other car in pitlane when released, and then stuttered once almost totally into the fast lane. There was no overlap prior to the stutter.

And didn't the Nissan (Caruso?) overtake Tander then move across prematurely? If so, had he a bit of patience, he would have cleared Tander normally, and so Tander wouldn't have "had the move done if the nissan didn't try and drive him into the fence", engine output notwithstanding

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

Not sure which race you were watching Stealthy, but Owen was clear of the other car in pitlane when released, and then stuttered once almost totally into the fast lane. There was no overlap prior to the stutter.

And didn't the Nissan (Caruso?) overtake Tander then move across prematurely? If so, had he a bit of patience, he would have cleared Tander normally, and so Tander wouldn't have "had the move done if the nissan didn't try and drive him into the fence", engine output notwithstanding

Overlap isn't a mitigating factor in the rule, its still an unsafe release if the car behind is disadvantaged (and i'd say having to come to a complete stop is a disadvantage, just look at how they changed the roll back rules in qually...)

Actually, at the point there was contact, tander had about 10 kph on him and would have easily been in front before the braking at the next corner. Caruso didn't move over soon enough (so, he was clear, tander was coming back, then he moved over almost causing tander to end up in the wall after his nose was at the back wheel). Either way, it was a low percentage move, and the retaliation seemed fair in my eyes.

If anything, Tander saved him by backing out of it (personally i would have left the boot in it with some left lock to hold my line, and the result would have been what happened later to Kelly with Perkins)

[Axeman444]

Not sure how it can be unsafe if it is safe when actually released and then the car stutters after the release

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

Not sure how it can be unsafe if it is safe when actually released and then the car stutters after the release

Thats your opinion, as someone else said, people have been penalised a lot more for alot less, and agree he was lucky to get away with it!

I'm basing my opinion on past instances (which you'd think would set a precedent, but thats not a thing in V8 supercar land, its basically a lucky dip)

[craig1]

Seen a few people unhappy about the Tander wave around.
Anyone care to clear it up?
Not a HRT fan but I thought Tander got waved by because he wasn't the leader, never was, on track Whincup was.
Just because Whincup chose to drive by doesn't mean the next car is the leader on track, Jamie still was.
As I see it, Jamie gifted everyone a free pass by doing as he did until Lowndes became the leader on track upon leaving the pits as Jamie pitted.
As I understand it the safety cars looking for the leader on track, that's Jamie at that time, not GT.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

Not sure how it can be unsafe if it is safe when actually released and then the car stutters after the release

Wasn't the rule changed to allow a minor bump after the release?

[ford71]

yes its a grey area.
Someone decides if its minor or dangerous.

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Wasn't the rule changed to allow a minor bump after the release?

Believe it was the ability to apply discretion, rather than allow.

In any case there is no rule providing for a penalty if the car stutters in pit lane

[dsg]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

Believe it was the ability to apply discretion, rather than allow.

In any case there is no rule providing for a penalty if the car stutters in pit lane

If my memory serves, in the past we haven't seen any penalties where cars drove down the pit lane slower than the speed limit (causing cars behind to brake) to avoid double stacking.

[greenracer]

The placement of the pit lane exit cone is to close to the one pit box. To exit correctly cars need to execute a right hand turn before straighten up to enter fast lane. This just doesn't apply to v8's but other classes of racing F1 etc. Pit lanes need more refinement to allow fairness to all cars.

[peckstar]

just had a read of all the posts. Really enjoyable race, However I reckon we were spoiled by last years extraordinary race and creates an expectation that this years race didnt have.

Confused why No penalty for Car 22 enetering pit lane and then driving back onto track. Has this rule changed?
Confused by no penalty for lowndes for hitting cone, has this rule changed?
Not confused by no penalty for 5 in the pits, This rule has changed thus any precedent is invalid.

It was so wet (and cold) driving home after the race. Lucky the race wasnt delayed like last year . Not great weather

Sitting there on friday we were thinking the crowd looked up and it was.

Friday night was an empty feeling No top ten shoot out field, I drew P8 in our sweep (8th fastest qualifier) At the time i predicted that it would start to get wet as that car finished its lap and no one would go quicker. Good call! $100 less a shout.

Interesting that if they had not managed to arrange an extra qualifying session then the shoot out field would have been set on practise time. Thus provisional pole is set on practise times, Who knew?

[Gaz170]

Having just skimmed through the recording as I was not able to watch it live (thanks Carnival Cruises) it seems the best team/driver combo on the day won. Frosty was lucky to salvage second, Whincup again defied reason to lose it. Dave Reynolds again showed he just doesn't have that extra 1% required to win. The girls car was unlucky, as was SBR. Pye and Ambrose looked good for a top ten all day until the crash.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by Gaz170

Having just skimmed through the recording as I was not able to watch it live (thanks Carnival Cruises) it seems the best team/driver combo on the day won. Frosty was lucky to salvage second, Whincup again defied reason to lose it. Dave Reynolds again showed he just doesn't have that extra 1% required to win. The girls car was unlucky, as was SBR. Pye and Ambrose looked good for a top ten all day until the crash.

If you're going to talk about all the hard luck stories at bathurst, i'd like to give congrats to David Thexton for almost winning one, he was a shoe-in if the 15 cars in front of him retired.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Gaz170

Having just skimmed through the recording as I was not able to watch it live (thanks Carnival Cruises) it seems the best team/driver combo on the day won. Frosty was lucky to salvage second, Whincup again defied reason to lose it. Dave Reynolds again showed he just doesn't have that extra 1% required to win. The girls car was unlucky, as was SBR. Pye and Ambrose looked good for a top ten all day until the crash.

Frosty should have won, Lowndes should have been given a drive-thru for hitting the cone and Jamie went into the kitty litter twice.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Frosty should have won, Lowndes should have been given a drive-thru for hitting the cone and Jamie went into the kitty litter twice.

If me auntie had balls she would be my uncle.

If Lowndes took a penalty, no double stacking so Whincup wins. Take your pick.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Mixer

If me auntie had balls she would be my uncle.

If Lowndes took a penalty, no double stacking so Whincup wins. Take your pick.

Whincup went off-track twice, Lowndes hit the cone, Frosty made no errors.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Whincup went off-track twice, Lowndes hit the cone, Frosty made no errors.

After taking a penalty that he wouldn't have taken. And Frosty's team neglected to pit him as required for a meatball.

Anyway conjecture at this point. Lowndes won.