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Yeah what a disaster, Scotty has a terrible day and ends fifth. Waters tries to take out his teammate, again. All Mustangs still in the top 10.
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Supercars have been desperate to give the holden teams an advantage before Bathurst.
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Ah yes, just in time for the exclusive Bathurst tinfoil hat, available from the Tickford and DJRTP merch trucks.
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If the downforce matched on the VCAT test, how can adding 40kg more downforce to the Commodore prove the downforce still matches the others!? It makes no sense. Likewise when downforce was taken from the Mustang, how can it still match the others!? The other way to sort it is with another VCAT test! |
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14 Sep 2019, 15:14 (Ref:3927925) | #31 | |
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Parity never worked in any racing category, F1 is a prime example of that.
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Quoting Scotty: “I think with the adjustments on the Holden there’s a few more happy faces down the end there. https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/09/15...the-back-foot/ |
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Half a second covering the top 8 which includes all 6 Mustangs and the Ford fairies are crying parity and Roland's chequebook... Feck me
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15 Sep 2019, 04:18 (Ref:3928030) | #35 | ||
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If the whole thing is such a non-issue, and if your above nominated criteria is the be-all and end-all; then why would Supercars/Holden pursue at least 6 revisions against the Mustang over the course of the season? |
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15 Sep 2019, 15:31 (Ref:3928125) | #37 | |
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Karting is the epitome of parity racing and it is just as unsuccessful there as in car racing. What happens is the field initially closes up but the well founded teams start spending big money for very small incremental increases in performance just as F1 has done. The closer you get to the brick wall of rules the smaller the incremental increases become and the more money is spent for less results but that does not stop the money being spent. The less well off teams are then left floundering because they cannot match the spending. Every attempt at trying to create parity eventually fails because the intention never matches the facts.
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For sure, this year has meant that the tools used to assess parity have needed a fair bit of a shake up and the process to do that has been a bit elongated but it appears that they are getting closer to a point of having parity under better control. |
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The whole thing has been farcical from go to whoa, including the last underhanded adjustment done through the back door. |
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16 Sep 2019, 03:16 (Ref:3928253) | #43 | ||
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Technical parity, where all cars are supposedly built to the same rules? Or sporting parity, where all cars are supposedly able to get the same result? Two very different concepts... |
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That is absolute bullshit, the procedure followed for this adjustment was the same as all of the others, the board delegated to a technical committee, and never approved any parity adjustments because it was not the designated procedure for such.
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Yep - The Commission delegate the authority to the full-time Supercars techo staff, who do the number crunching and analysis and make the call, which in this case was widely announced, nothing remotely "underhand" or "back door" about it. |
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And let's not forget the secret parity adjustment done just a few days prior to the Hidden Valley round either. That was a nice little surprise, for which the details were kept to a select few. |
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In the case of V8SA, it is a parity category and that is based on technical parity. The idea is that regardless of which brand a team races, when that team turns up at the racetrack it has as much chance of a good result as any other team provided the team does as good a job as the other teams - tuning the car, strategy, driver talent/application as examples all come into it. Of course, budgets and capacity to develop & simulate all sorts of components and situations come into it too. We have seen that through the year when teams running the same make of car have had good/bad weekends in comparison to each other. If parity has been achieved, then the same should apply across all makes in competition. I actually think that the technical parity at the core of V8SA thinking has a little bit of your suggested sporting parity in it but not to the extent of taking measures to equalise between individual drivers/teams. |
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The Hidden Valley adjustment was done as part of the regular process and advised to the teams - hardly a "select few" as you suggest. V8SA have clearly updated the process since HV to now ensure it goes to all media as well. |
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You can try and excuse the parity farce all you like; but the majority of race fans don't think highly of it (85% in the Speedcafe Poll), Crompton and Kelly didn't think much of it when they resigned from the commission, and the whole thing looks like it's being administered by amateurs.
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16 Sep 2019, 07:33 (Ref:3928271) | #50 | ||
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If Supercars wants to be a series of pure technical parity, then I think they could go about it a bit better. I actually think they should be considering an approach focused more on sporting parity, as I think this is more likely to get the results that the series and teams want. It's effectively what they're doing now, but without beating around the bush. Also I can't help but have a dirty taste in my mouth when we can go from talking about Supercars being about technical parity to then talking about the apparent extreme differences between top level and bottom level teams. We're so focused on the difference between Mustang / Commodore / Altima and saying that everything is all good, but then what about the difference between 888 and Tekno? #15 and #78? |
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