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Old 4 Aug 2023, 10:47 (Ref:4171297)   #26
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Nothing to do with BTCC, or motor sport in general, but this may be a problem for the UK's police force as they are having to replace all their high performance BMW saloons and estates as they have a tendency to catch fire. Currently, they are being replaced with Volvo estates and some Skoda VRSs.
BMW effectively has blocked UK Police from their cars as the bad publicity is not good. This tendency of the Police to leave diesel engines idling for hours and then tear up the road is not good for the cars. Or the environment, but I don't see anybody kicking up a stink about that. You'd hope that a copper would be able to twist a key or press a start button...
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Old 4 Aug 2023, 11:28 (Ref:4171301)   #27
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Seems the future is going to be electric powered SUVs, well that's something to look forward to. I'm sure we were all fans of the Jaguar I-Pace eTrophy
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Old 4 Aug 2023, 11:52 (Ref:4171307)   #28
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Seems the future is going to be electric powered SUVs, well that's something to look forward to. I'm sure we were all fans of the Jaguar I-Pace eTrophy
Given the acceptance of moving on from the past exhibited by some BTCC fans, it will be 2053 and people will be longing for the halcyon days of NGTC with hybrid!!
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Old 4 Aug 2023, 12:44 (Ref:4171314)   #29
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Old 4 Aug 2023, 13:57 (Ref:4171331)   #30
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Seems the future is going to be electric powered SUVs, well that's something to look forward to. I'm sure we were all fans of the Jaguar I-Pace eTrophy
once EV burst into fire nothing stops it until they burn out a few hours later



like the recent cargo ship fire demostrated

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Old 4 Aug 2023, 16:51 (Ref:4171360)   #31
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Given the acceptance of moving on from the past exhibited by some BTCC fans, it will be 2053 and people will be longing for the halcyon days of NGTC with hybrid!!
That will be right about the time Ash Sutton wins his 27th title.
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Old 4 Aug 2023, 17:19 (Ref:4171361)   #32
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That will be right about the time Ash Sutton wins his 27th title.
…and Team Hard is fielding the entire grid.

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Old 4 Aug 2023, 17:28 (Ref:4171362)   #33
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Given the acceptance of moving on from the past exhibited by some BTCC fans, it will be 2053 and people will be longing for the halcyon days of NGTC with hybrid!!
Well, even NGTC cars sound better than electric!

But yeah, probably going electric at some point in the future is inevitable and we just have to hope racing can still be good and we all get used to that. My hope is that racing can still function in its current form when electric, not 10-minute gimmicky 'duels', finals or whatever for 4 cars.
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Old 4 Aug 2023, 17:35 (Ref:4171363)   #34
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once EV burst into fire nothing stops it until they burn out a few hours later



like the recent cargo ship fire demostrated
Allegedly
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But yeah, probably going electric at some point in the future is inevitable and we just have to hope racing can still be good and we all get used to that. My hope is that racing can still function in its current form when electric, not 10-minute gimmicky 'duels', finals or whatever for 4 cars.
Replace option tyres with attack modes and activation zones, and hybrid boost for fan boost…
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Trust me, they burned. How the fire started is unlikely ever to be known; if they get that ship safely into a port without it sinking that will be quite an achievement.
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Trust me, they burned. How the fire started is unlikely ever to be known; if they get that ship safely into a port without it sinking that will be quite an achievement.
Already docked. Always rely on Smitak
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Trust me, they burned. How the fire started is unlikely ever to be known; if they get that ship safely into a port without it sinking that will be quite an achievement.
I'm guessing the 'allegedly' refers to the statement - "once EV burst into fire nothing stops it until they burn out a few hours later"

The truth is that some Li-ion incidents will result on a thermal runaway, that can require a higher level of cooling to extinguish compared to a carbon based fire. But it is wrong to claim that all EV fires will result in a thermal runaway, or that all thermal runaways have to be allowed to sell extinguish.
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I'm guessing the 'allegedly' refers to the statement - "once EV burst into fire nothing stops it until they burn out a few hours later"

The truth is that some Li-ion incidents will result on a thermal runaway, that can require a higher level of cooling to extinguish compared to a carbon based fire. But it is wrong to claim that all EV fires will result in a thermal runaway, or that all thermal runaways have to be allowed to sell extinguish.
No, the allegedly referred to the cause of the recent car carrier fire
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Old 5 Aug 2023, 08:45 (Ref:4171441)   #41
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Sounds eerily plausible...
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Old 5 Aug 2023, 20:25 (Ref:4171535)   #43
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We have all this hype about motorsport having to go electric , but here is an interesting alternative.

Motorsport has the opportunity to keep the combustion engine alive . We can have series that are electric, that can be used for the appropriate related technology from manufacturers and the future .

However now is the time to open up motorsport to celebrate the internal combustion engine. The technology and engineering is already here it doesnt need any further development. F1 for example could easily go back to a durable V10 engine running on biofuel , after all when the motor vehicle replaced the horse it didnt stop horses from developing into racers for pleasure did it .
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We have all this hype about motorsport having to go electric , but here is an interesting alternative.

Motorsport has the opportunity to keep the combustion engine alive . We can have series that are electric, that can be used for the appropriate related technology from manufacturers and the future .

However now is the time to open up motorsport to celebrate the internal combustion engine. The technology and engineering is already here it doesnt need any further development. F1 for example could easily go back to a durable V10 engine running on biofuel , after all when the motor vehicle replaced the horse it didnt stop horses from developing into racers for pleasure did it .
It didn't, but when did you last see a chariot race draw a large TV audience?
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It didn't, but when did you last see a chariot race draw a large TV audience?
But there is an enormous amount of horse racing on TV compared to the likes of the BTCC for instance.
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It didn't, but when did you last see a chariot race draw a large TV audience?
Ah you see now there is a support race series in the making right there . Lol
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I guess it’s inevitable that the conventional engine will be further scaled down and the EV element scaled up in the coming years. Hell if they can make the cars all sound like super bikes I’d keep watching.
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