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I seem to remember reading that the problem with Super Touring cars was that they were too difficult and expensive for a privateer to run. Over twenty years on from their heyday, spares, especially electronics, must be very difficult to source.
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Think the Edwardian comment comes from the point of view that nothing matters other than Goodwood.
VSCC have never appealed as races are to short and most of the organisation self serving to their own personnel needs. Notice the bit about Triggers broom.Its acceptable and necessary to change components but if the handle is a foot longer,the width an extra foot and bristles changed it’s not Triggers broom. |
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Yes,I have heard that too, particularly the later ones; they do seem to manage them very well in NZ though, where there are loads, and yet they didn’t run them back in the day. Indeed, NZ developed “Schedule S”, later adopted as “Super Production” or Group N Plus by the FIA as their national TC series because they recognised that they could not afford STs, apparently.
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I similarly recall reading/hearing that some require 1990s laptop/operating system/software to operate.
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Same here. I seem to remember that DTM cars had more electronic allowance than F1's of the same era. Not only hard to maintain but they probably require a lot of skill to be kept on the road…
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I do have some poor quality but interesting pictures from a 5 lap Edwardian Handicap at Silverstone from September 1952.
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Get a grip, chaps, they were running races for Edwardian cars as long ago as the early1900's.!
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It's all a moving target really . . . .
First old (60's) tin tops I saw was early 90's, ICS @ Sillystone supporting BTCC, cars were only 25 years old . . . . you still saw them regularly on the road. those cars are now nearly 60, and you don't see them on the road often, if ever. Add to that most of what races under the same moniker now is newer than my every day road hack! For me 2000-2010 was good, competitive, sporting and almost exclusively real cars mostly run by bonafide enthusiasts. It's their disappearance that has marked the most noticeable change. There are always exceptions. Now may well be a golden period, but for completely different reasons. It's all changed like football . . . very corporate. |
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Cars are also so much more complicated and harder to tune and modify, given complex computer-controlled engines and hybrids. There is a vibrant mod/tuner culture (see the Modified Live events or indeed your local car park on a Saturday evening!) but it’s still dominated by older Japanese and German cars 10-20 years old or more. The world turns and things change. I’d say that this is a golden age of historic racing, enjoy it now before the coming dark age! |
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The best historic racing...
As a UK enthusiast & VSCC Junior member in the early seventies....the arrival of "formal" series like JCB, Lloyds & Scottish and the newly instigated HGPCA, did MUCH to raise the profile of pre & post-war single-seaters & sportscars...and put posters on my bedroom wall.
..such a shame that no footage exists of the first Historic race in Monaco '79, won by Neil Corner, threading the Mercedes W125 around the Principality...who could fail NOT to be hooked IMO, the VSCC seriously lost its way in the mid-nineties, run by largely commercially inept, well-meaning enthusiasts, who hankered, for bygone times...and against a current backdrop, history was in danger of repeating itself, without the arrival of its "saviour" Paul Tunnicliffe..a gentleman I neither know or have met, but have huge respect for. That said, the professionalism of car clubs, race promotion, event organisation and support has changed markedly....so too, has the event choice and the number of exciting categories which currently exist. IMO ALL of these and MANY more have contributed... Goodwood Monaco Mille Miglia Spa Le Mans Philip Island Monterey Peter Auto MRL HSCC HERO Relatively low-cost/preferential International travel, shipping/air-freight Internet "streaming" Changing collecting "trends" Commercial sponsorship Developments in excellent race preparation/specialists No of talented, highly capable, very successful, cross-category, amateur competitors |
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TBH I wouldn't dream of doing it . . . . a work colleague sold a 3 series race car for £3500 last year, that is cheap racing! I've spent more than that this winter on what is essentially servicing, and thats doing the 'work' myself.
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I think the best periods were 1972 - 89 Australian touring car / BTCC 62 - 91 / Bikes (motogp) 76 - 95 / Formula 1 - 66 - 87 / Rallying - always pretty good since '60s .. But having said that how good is vintage racing right now!? I mean, events like goodwood and Monterey Historics pull a better grid and crowd than an F1 race and theres alos the millions watching from around the world online. Why is that? I don't think I even need answer that..
I think though, some of these cars are going to become so valuable that racing them is just going to become too foolhardy. Presently they allow you , in certain classes, to race a replica if you have the real thing at home. I think they should extend this to allowing competitors to race a replica , even if they don't own an original - providing it is a 'toolroom' quality replica with all the same suspension pickup points, brakes, driveline, bodylines etc etc.. Not only would this get more people who own expensive cars out there and racing, it would also get people who really wanted to race in that period but could never afford to do so on the grid. |
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Even cooking cars are getting expensive/valuable now. I kept al the trim and interior for my car, a pile of racy bits and a std road car is probably worth more than a race car now.
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Approximately 20 years ago it was impossible to write off the likes of a 250GTO because a replica would cost far less to have built that the value of the lost car.
When I restored Jack Sears car, it was insured at Ten million pounds even then. Exceptional maybe, but there are many historic nudging that kind of figure. |
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