TLs, TLs, TLs??? - Page 2

promax · 20 May 2013, 07:49 (Ref:3250326)

hmm the CC points table looks rather err confusing?

1. Kevin Williams: 1396
2. Mark Gibson: 1171
3. Glenn Inkster: 990
4. John McIntyre: 760
5. Jack Kofoed: 669
6. Malcolm Finch: 613
7. Paul Irwin: 515
8. Andrew Anderson: 502
9. Nicholas Farrier: 442
10. James McLaughlin: 400
11. Nigel Karl: 399
12: Bruce Anderson: 371
13. AJ Lauder: 295
14. Jamie Gaskin: 291
15. Todd Pelham: 285
16. Brad Lauder: 283
17. Ian Booth: 233
18. Matt Booth: 207
19. Struan Robertson: 186
20. Shaun Varney: 172
21. Liam MacDonald: 141
22. Lance Hughes: 124
23. Tom Alexander: 90

were the points from the last NZV8 round.. classed as a CC round?

any idea on numbers for weekend and what tyres the teams will be using? Dunlop were mentioned in here.. yet isn't the CC class part of this new Hankook Super Series? Also weren't there tyre issues the last time Hankook shod TLs raced at Pukekohe?

Goat Boy · 20 May 2013, 10:40 (Ref:3250436)

Dunno...

Alpina107 · 20 May 2013, 21:06 (Ref:3250779)

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Originally Posted by promax

hmm the CC points table looks rather err confusing?

Yeah, you're right, it is confusing.

It makes it look like there were 23 cars in the championship, when the the first four rounds had no more than 11, and as few as 6 entrants - well below the 15 required for a Gold Star Championship.

Just Do It! · 20 May 2013, 21:45 (Ref:3250797)

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Originally Posted by Bill Brown

Why would you think that I would know anything?

I am not in the loop at MSNZ and never have been.

I have also retired from the management of my club.

Yes I was a director of TMC etc but I can assure you that did not ensure that you were in the loop.

Really just personal observations from the outside looking in.

You paint an interesting portrait of how things are seemingly run here.

Please don't take this as a personal attack, but more a concerning observation, but how can the directors of TMC be kept out of the loop and still fulfill their role and responsibility?

Ahead of the MSNZ AGM, it would be a fascination for many to know what really goes on and how a voted executive and employees/contractors of the company can keep directors of that company in the dark?

The AGM could be an interesting place to be, although constitutional calamity probably means that very little will change.

It's hard not to wonder if and when the "Fiji Approach" might be played out.

Bill Brown · 21 May 2013, 01:14 (Ref:3250850)

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Originally Posted by Just Do It!

You paint an interesting portrait of how things are seemingly run here.

Please don't take this as a personal attack, but more a concerning observation, but how can the directors of TMC be kept out of the loop and still fulfill their role and responsibility?

Ahead of the MSNZ AGM, it would be a fascination for many to know what really goes on and how a voted executive and employees/contractors of the company can keep directors of that company in the dark?

The AGM could be an interesting place to be, although constitutional calamity probably means that very little will change.

It's hard not to wonder if and when the "Fiji Approach" might be played out.

Its really all old news now.
Perhaps kept out of the loop was not the right words. I did have a great working relationship with Kerry Cooper and what he did to develop the company to bring our sport to the highest level had never been achieved before and probably wont again.
But the reality is that I as an A shareholders director was forced on the sport and the company who's original proposal when they took over extra shares to gain control many years ago did not allow for a director appointed by the A shareholders, representing their interests.
The company was to an extent controlled by MSNZ and on a number of occasions over the years they forced sporting and not financial decisions on the company that did not help in the end.
Some may consider that I did not fill my obligations as a director I don't care about what they think. All I know is that I attended virtually every directors meeting that I was made aware of and I activily pushed the A shareholders interests where ever possible.

Goat Boy · 21 May 2013, 03:20 (Ref:3250885)

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Originally Posted by Bill Brown

I did have a great working relationship with Kerry Cooper and what he did to develop the company to bring our sport to the highest level had never been achieved before and probably wont again.

Bill Brown · 21 May 2013, 04:42 (Ref:3250905)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

We will see who has the last laugh!!

Icarus_nz · 21 May 2013, 05:40 (Ref:3250914)

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Originally Posted by Bill Brown

We will see who has the last laugh!!

Should've just left well alone. Last laughs don't keep the wold from the door.

bluespur · 21 May 2013, 05:44 (Ref:3250915)

Bill I agree with you. During the high times of TMC management the summer series was an excellent series of events.

Have not seen anyone come up with any sort of replacement promotion that handles MSNZ championships as adequately

Goat Boy · 21 May 2013, 05:47 (Ref:3250916)

Just windin' ya up

GT 86 · 21 May 2013, 05:52 (Ref:3250918)

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Originally Posted by bluespur

Bill I agree with you. During the high times of TMC management the summer series was an excellent series of events.

Have not seen anyone come up with any sort of replacement promotion that handles MSNZ championships as adequately

Just check with Brian Budd, he might have another couple of shelf companies setup that can sort this and any V8 TL or TLX issues out......although they dont get involved in either of these subjects

Bill Brown · 21 May 2013, 06:46 (Ref:3250930)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Just windin' ya up

It didnt work

Bill Brown · 21 May 2013, 06:55 (Ref:3250933)

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Originally Posted by bluespur

Bill I agree with you. During the high times of TMC management the summer series was an excellent series of events.

Have not seen anyone come up with any sort of replacement promotion that handles MSNZ championships as adequately

Im not sure how I got into to this topic, probably wrong thread as well.

It would appear that the ST marketing machine (and very good it is to) is now facing the realities of motorsport promotion with their cut backs in TV and advertising.

Goat Boy · 21 May 2013, 07:14 (Ref:3250941)

Who mentioned ST? I was ROFL-ing at the notion that Kerry did a good job

Goat Boy · 21 May 2013, 07:35 (Ref:3250951)

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Originally Posted by Bill Brown

It didnt work

Oh yes, it did.

Goat Boy · 21 May 2013, 07:37 (Ref:3250953)

But the new ST owners seem to be doing a pretty good job of getting meaningful sponsors on board - unlike the NZ Truth debacle...

Whose idea was that, Bill? Yours?

Bill Brown · 21 May 2013, 08:16 (Ref:3250968)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

But the new ST owners seem to be doing a pretty good job of getting meaningful sponsors on board - unlike the NZ Truth debacle...

Whose idea was that, Bill? Yours?

Truth in motorsport, most unusual!

Bill Brown · 21 May 2013, 08:19 (Ref:3250970)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Oh yes, it did.

NO YOU DIDN'T Whoops I'm yelling now, sorry

raymond · 21 May 2013, 08:24 (Ref:3250972)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

But the new ST owners seem to be doing a pretty good job of getting meaningful sponsors on board - unlike the NZ Truth debacle...

Whose idea was that, Bill? Yours?

What was the debacle GB? I bought the NZ Truth magazine to TMC at the time as they were also sponsoring our Rally Team.
Maybe the debacle might have been that what they paid for wasn't delivered?

Goat Boy · 21 May 2013, 08:26 (Ref:3250973)

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Originally Posted by raymond

What was the debacle GB? I bought the NZ Truth magazine to TMC at the time as they were also sponsoring our Rally Team.
Maybe the debacle might have been that what they paid for wasn't delivered?

Yes!

raymond · 21 May 2013, 08:30 (Ref:3250974)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Yes!

Hmmm...that put me in a VERY difficult position and ultimately cost me my place within the Rally Team. Still; as things have panned out I have managed to mentor a couple of absolute finds as young rally drivers since then, and an exceptional sportsman as a V8 Touring Car driver. I'm looking forward to the Supertourer Enduro's with Matt AND the rest of the Rally's this year with Lance (not yet old enough to shave!)....so thanks Truth!

Goat Boy · 21 May 2013, 08:43 (Ref:3250977)

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Originally Posted by raymond

Hmmm...that put me in a VERY difficult position and ultimately cost me my place within the Rally Team. Still; as things have panned out I have managed to mentor a couple of absolute finds as young rally drivers since then, and an exceptional sportsman as a V8 Touring Car driver. I'm looking forward to the Supertourer Enduro's with Matt AND the rest of the Rally's this year with Lance (not yet old enough to shave!)....so thanks Truth!

Cool

I may have no respect for Cameron Slater but if help is at hand for motorsport then all good.

What exactly did happen though, from a public perspective all we saw was here one minute, gone the next...

Ugy · 21 May 2013, 21:58 (Ref:3251389)

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Originally Posted by bluespur

Bill I agree with you. During the high times of TMC management the summer series was an excellent series of events.

Have not seen anyone come up with any sort of replacement promotion that handles MSNZ championships as adequately

+1

raymond · 22 May 2013, 00:58 (Ref:3251447)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Cool

I may have no respect for Cameron Slater but if help is at hand for motorsport then all good.

What exactly did happen though, from a public perspective all we saw was here one minute, gone the next...

Will tell you face-to-face at the first Supertourer enduro round!!

raymond · 22 May 2013, 01:00 (Ref:3251449)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Cool

I may have no respect for Cameron Slater but if help is at hand for motorsport then all good.

What exactly did happen though, from a public perspective all we saw was here one minute, gone the next...

Dont know who Cameron Slater is, need to clear up that I have had nothing to do with The Truth since I left the rally team 5 years ago. What I do now with the mentoring is not paid for by any commercial arrangement, it's just me!