2025 Calendar & Formats..

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by banksie

Winton and Symmons in the middle of winter? Not doing either venue any favours.

Been discussed, local govts want events at a time it is quiet, they won't spend money for events when it is already busy. Same reason Canberra was in May.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Same reason Canberra was in May.

Except that Canberra wasn’t in May….

[Jack65]

Was in June, but the problem of being too cold would have still likely have occurred in May.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by one five five

Except that Canberra wasn’t in May….

[Kingair]

Always the June long weekend for Canberra.

The only thing done well in Canberra is the Summernats, because it’s summer time and the two ring circus funded by us called Parliament is shut down.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Supercars will wait for NASCAR to announce their calendar so they can block off any opportunity for Supercar drivers to race in NASACR road course events.

[GTRMagic]

Calendar Stuck At 12 Events For 2025?

Here’s hoping not!

The tweaking of practice mileage (do we need 80 minutes of practice before first qualifying in Tassie in a sub-1 minute lap?), and holding of all-in full day tests at a race meeting either before or after (as opposed to buggering off to Quinnsland Raceway or Tailem Bend for rookie day tests) could surely be managed to connect more rounds at different locations.

$60k per car per round makes sense when there are additional on-track kilometres concerned.

Thinking logically, if you wound back the practice sessions, pushing more kilometres into points paying races, running costs should be close to identical. There was some noise around additional race starts costing more as the drivelines are stressed additionally, pressure on transaxle & clutch especially… yet we see today the teams having practice starts at full noise threatening to tear the centres out of the cars…

And equally the burnouts and stresses and strains for the winners post race puts components under reliability stress that may not be required to compete on track either.

So if the cars are on track for the same lilometres, the incremental costs for new venues should be the usual travel & accommodation which are definitely likely to be less than $60k/round/car, especially if the new 2025 Dunlops prove more durable

[chavez]

Twelve events will more than likely result in the AGP being the only event in Victoria.

(The 500 moving from Sandown to Tailem Bend from 2025)

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

14 rounds is better than 12…

Will there be 3 enduros in 2025?

The AA list is as of 1Jun… pretty close to the one 4 months later….

[GTRMagic]

Three Section Championship for 2025

Do they actually consult with and ask the stakeholders before madness like this is proposed? The blokes over at AA will be delighted at suggesting this style of change.

Yet all I see is it confusing the fans.. you know, the people who buy the stuff that pays for the race cars..

[one five five]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Three Section Championship for 2025

Do they actually consult with and ask the stakeholders before madness like this is proposed? The blokes over at AA will be delighted at suggesting this style of change.

Yet all I see is it confusing the fans.. you know, the people who buy the stuff that pays for the race cars..

As have V8Sleuth, both have been pushing this barrow for months with a passion……almost as if they were given inside word and told to sell it to the fans….

10th place is hundreds of points off the lead at the moment, on what planet do they deserve a chance to win the series after Bathurst, and how can it be taken seriously?

Racing is not footy, why do we keep trying to turn a completely different sport into it?

[Mixer]

This is exactly the stuff that ended up happening after mostly HRT were running away with championship won early leading to dead rubber events.

[E.B]

If it aint broke dont fix it springs to mind.....

[Ares]

Even if the championship is over mid season, teams still want to win races, win rounds. Fans still want to see good hard racing. This just sounds like another bullshit idea. You don't have to follow. I vote No.

[Matt K]

Big no to any playoffs idea from me as well... That's just madness. NASCAR may pull it off but come on, let's not make Supercars the Australian version of NASCAR.

[Kingair]

Sounds a bit like the egg and spoon race at a primary school sports day, everyone wins a prize.

[Tourer]

From what (little) we know about the playoffs (or finals as I think they're calling them) so far, it seems like an utterly stupid idea that doesn't fit with motorsport at all.

So far, we've been told that the top 10 drivers go into "the pot" prior to the last 3 rounds, with 3 being "eliminated" at round 11, another 3 "eliminated" at round 12 and the last 4 standing go into the final round with everything to play for.

So, a couple of teams and their drivers could be slugging it out at the head of the field all season, clearly the class acts within the championship, clearly at a higher plane than anyone else (pretty common occurrence I think we'd all agree). As P1 & P2 in the series, they are included in the "finals" group from round 11 onwards. However, one of them has their worst round of the year at round 11 (Gold Coast - we've seen outlier results there before) and is now out of contention for the championship. Maybe both of them have a bad result and are both out of the championship after they crash into each other?

The unlucky competitor(s) above of course keep racing and finish the season with WAY more points than anyone else but don't become series champion. How can such a championship "win" have any credibility at all? Frankly, it's ridiculous and very poorly thought out IMHO.

NASCAR's current similar approach is STILL controversial 10 years in but at least they have enough races for some of the ups and downs to even out. Having just 3 races AND an elimination structure is just an utterly stoopid plan (if the limited reporting we've had so far is correct).

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by Tourer

From what (little) we know about the playoffs (or finals as I think they're calling them) so far, it seems like an utterly stupid idea that doesn't fit with motorsport at all.

So far, we've been told that the top 10 drivers go into "the pot" prior to the last 3 rounds, with 3 being "eliminated" at round 11, another 3 "eliminated" at round 12 and the last 4 standing go into the final round with everything to play for.

So, a couple of teams and their drivers could be slugging it out at the head of the field all season, clearly the class acts within the championship, clearly at a higher plane than anyone else (pretty common occurrence I think we'd all agree). As P1 & P2 in the series, they are included in the "finals" group from round 11 onwards. However, one of them has their worst round of the year at round 11 (Gold Coast - we've seen outlier results there before) and is now out of contention for the championship. Maybe both of them have a bad result and are both out of the championship after they crash into each other?

The unlucky competitor(s) above of course keep racing and finish the season with WAY more points than anyone else but don't become series champion. How can such a championship "win" have any credibility at all? Frankly, it's ridiculous and very poorly thought out IMHO.

NASCAR's current similar approach is STILL controversial 10 years in but at least they have enough races for some of the ups and downs to even out. Having just 3 races AND an elimination structure is just an utterly stoopid plan (if the limited reporting we've had so far is correct).

Surely they won’t have a continuing points score for all cars once the Finals commence.That would defeat the whole purpose.So all the cars out of the Finals will be running non points scoring races.The points might be allocated for the top 10 along the basis of the F1 system (except for some Supercars multiple) and then continue on that basis.So the top few will have a points advantage but the Gold Coast might be worth as much then as the first 10 rounds combined.Fine print will be interesting.
I don’t care much about the series outside Bathurst so my perspective is with that being the last round before the top 10 is finalised what effect will that have on race tactics.Answers on a postcard.

[GTRMagic]

[GTRMagic]

V8Supercar Scoring 2025-style Explained

[Tourer]

Not a fan at all of what they've announced - but I might be wrong and it all works and this time next year we think it's great.

I just feel really doubtful that'll be the case though.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Not a fan at all of what they've announced - but I might be wrong and it all works and this time next year we think it's great.

I just feel really doubtful that'll be the case though.

That exactly where I am on it too. Unimpressed now....willing, even hoping, to be impressed but not confident it will happen.

[Jack65]

Supercars have fallen for the old trick of if its works in America, it will work here. Nope, it will be seen as a circus.

[Trev Campbell]

What a joke. They've reduced the 'Pinnacle' of Australian Motor Sport to the equivalent of World Wrestling as a sporting contest.

Not an original idea among the lot of them. 'The Americans do it so we'll just blindly copy them'

Here's an idea. Do something to make the racing better. Allow a bit of hard hard racing instead of penalizing drivers for every little thing. and they won't need gimmicks to try to make it exciting.

It's also a fact of life that not all sporting contests are exciting 100% of the time. If a drive/team does a superior job and dominates on merit. That just happens. People have to live with it.

[GTRMagic]

I thought it was interesting that the GC event is labelled as being sponsored by Boost Mobile