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Starting the races at 10 past the hour?
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I think its odd how F1 has the appeal it does. In the US, Nascar is much more popular overall than Indycar. It always struck me how there isn't the same fan appeal over our own European stock car (well saloon car) series. For example the World Touring Car series. Surely you have a series there which is tailor made for manufacturers to get behind and promote? Good racing, absolutely relate-able cars... but no. That series has effectively just folded, I don't get it.
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Plus of course fan influence from the historical success of British drivers in World Championship terms, in both total years and individual winners.... winning 17 years with 10 drivers, 11 of those years being British drivers in British cars. (The next best being Germany with 12 titles and 3 drivers.) |
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but i guess if i am confused by anything, it is that they still seem to be having the same debate between FTA vs paywall. after a year in, i was hoping to see them make a significant announcement towards offering more hybrid solutions. offer some races for free globally via facebook or twitter (akin to what the NFL has done with twitter) or a deal with netflix or amazon (perhaps for live broadcasts but at least for full replays). more choices on how and when to watch via multiple platforms/mediums and at every price point ranging from free to pay with all the bells and whistles. |
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Biggest issue for me (as others have said) is that you can't just pay for F1. I have zero interest in getting a Sky or Virgin subscription purely to watch F1 and MotorSport TV.
With the WEC I can subscribe to watch all the races in HD from multiple camera angles with no adverts for less than one months Sky or Virgin subscription. |
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26 Jan 2018, 17:46 (Ref:3795292) | #31 | ||
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Some comments above sound like Dragons Den. TV has , with its vast advertising revenue , become the tail that is waving the F1 dog . Fewer fans ? Good - most of them have probably never seen motor racing live and I wouldn't mourn their loss. But smaller budgets you say ? Good , say I . When a front wing costs 100 grand something is very wrong with the sport....For reference it's worth noting that the inflation adjusted price of an off the shelf DFV from 1968 is only 30 grand more than the wing - and the DFV sounds a damn sight better than today's insanely complex engines. Sorry , 'power units '....
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26 Jan 2018, 19:15 (Ref:3795302) | #34 | ||
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In essence, judging from the comments above including my own, it would rather seem to indicate that F1 as cache cow is way beyond its sell by date in which case will Liberty get their fingers burned?
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Playing devils advocate here, I do think F1 has become more mainstream, I never saw people wearing F1 team gear just out in the street 15-20 years ago. Whether that’s ultimately a good thing or not or even tells us anything I’m not sure. I guess we can thank Hamilton for some of that, like him or loath him he has raised the profile of the sport in many ways.
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You have to drop qualifying and practice. So even that is still £140 a year, for no qualifying and practice sessions. So it's still much much more expensive than other series, for less content. So even the best case scenario is still pretty terrible.
Eurosport online pass is the same price for a month that F1 is for a day. And gets you all ES channels, plus more. Something isn't right there. |
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So you said £600 for F1 but actually it’s under half that with both the other series too. But feel free to keep complaining and posting facts which are totally incorrect! |
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26 Jan 2018, 21:16 (Ref:3795314) | #41 | |
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But it isn't incorrect. It's...completely correct. If you're trying to get F1 through a TV package, that is around what it will cost you. The TV package is the preferred method for many, and for those in rural areas with poor internet, it'll be the only option. So I'm not sure what is "incorrect" about it.
You've given 2 more options. Only one of those is actually a true option - still costs £220 a year, about 4-5 times more expensive than any other series. The option you mentioned first, at £7 a month, is only valid if you chop 2 out of the 3 days off the weekend. You know, whilst we're discussing incorrect facts and what not? And why is it £7 for a day pass for F1, but £7 a month for a Eurosport pass? That's also not incorrect btw. It's true and stuff! F1 is more expensive than any other motorsport. Viewing figures are dropping. It doesn't take a science degree to work out the connection here. This thread is about dropping viewing numbers, and I gave a reason why. So I'll continue "complaining" as it's the only way we'll actually be able to have a discussion on it. Or we can deny it all and pretend everything is ok, because you can pay 4 times the price of everything else, to get less. Even the best case scenario for F1 puts it miles below everything else. Kinda says it all really. Last edited by Akrapovic; 26 Jan 2018 at 21:21. |
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Ok. I live rural and stream Now TV and BT Sport with no problem at all. Better picture than Freeview.
I agree with your principle though and would rather see free to air but 98% of the population can pay under half what you claimed and see hundreds of hours of extra quality that was never bothered with by BBC or C4 |
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If the BEST argument we can come up with to support F1 is "Well it's not as bad as feared, because you can watch it for 4 times the price of any other series" then that's a bad state of affairs and exactly why this thread was created. Here's another fun way of looking at it. The best case for F1 is spending £140 a year, and you won't get to see qualifying. But if you're "casual" enough to not care about qualifying, you won't be spending £140 a year. So that's an odd market target. Almost like F1 didn't really consider the target markets and went for short term gain. I understand not every sport can be FTA. But if Eurosport want £7 a month and WEC want £30 a year, then I don't see why F1 is 3 digits. It doesn't have to be free, just has to be sensible. |
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Ah, you’re in Scotland.
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26 Jan 2018, 21:39 (Ref:3795319) | #45 | |
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Most of our internet is connected via tin cans with string. I am a lucky one in that I can sometimes stream HD, but sometimes it's terrible.
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27 Jan 2018, 00:09 (Ref:3795338) | #46 | |
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Australian broadband is called fraudband.
Liberty are giving anybody wanting to come up with an alternative series a massive free kick at the FTA market. Simple cars, good racing .... With some money and a bit of organization ..... Perhaps Indycar could step up to the plate. |
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Yep.... officially we have the 55th worst connection speed in the world. That is lower in the list than last year. Behind 3rd world countries and the likes of Ukraine and Azerbaijan!
With the promise that it will not improve at all for several years due to lack of uptake to NBN. (We need a minimum of 4 times the current subscribers to improve its efficiency.) |
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For a series to compete they need prime time TV slots and super star names. There are already many series out there with far better racing and better looking cars but they are nowhere in terms of public perception. |
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Here in Uruguay, I get cable TV pay US$ 40 per month, or a tenth of minimum wage. And a lot of people pay for it. |
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