HMS F1 Ten Tenths Conformity - A ship I never jumped on when it left port

[I Ate Yoko Ono]

Lots of interesting points raised here. Thanks fo the response. Here goes...

Red - Firstly, I am a motor racing fan, that means I love both CART and F1, not to mention numerous other forms of racing, in particular GTs. I only wish F1 was as exciting as CART at the moment. I have no intention whatsoever in pushing the ridiculous idea that CART will one day overtake F1's popularity. Last time I read a comparison F1, depending on the race, was receiving between 12 and 20 times the worldwide TV viewing figures that CART was. But as I say, I like both as I like motor racing. Rockingham was great though believe me!

Inigo - If I had a pound for every Ferrari/Man Utd fine added together minus all the fans I have ever met who supported any other F1 or football team I'd have........approx £368......By the way, REM suck but early U2 (esp Unforgettable Fire album) is awesome. I appreciate what you are trying to say to me about being different for the sake of it when you are at high school, but take no offence for trying to be different as I grow older. Churchill for years was the only European let alone Brit to speak out on his own and stand against European National Socialism, so we all owe him something - but he wasn't at high school at the time! By the way, REM suck but early U2 (esp Unforgettable Fire album) is awesome.

EERO - I have to concede your point about DC, there aren't too many fans of his around. Perhaps even I jumped on the forum famous cruise liner "Replace DC at McLaren". Thinking about it I ordered first class tickets for that particular cruise.

Originally posted by Aussiefan .

I get the feeling you don't like Australians'.

No, that is absolutely not true at all, nor is it of people of any other nation on the planet. I just like trying to shake you from your sleep by winding you up in the way all the Aussies I work with do to us about cricket scores (three guesses what nationality I am). You don't have to take the bait! Besides, some of the nicest comments about my poetry in Gravel Trap have been from Australians, which can only advertise what good taste you all clearly possess.

Neil C, a nice attempt, and it does at least rhyme, but I think I still head the modern poetry stakes until usurped by a worthy successor.

[EERO]

I ate Yoko Ono
and felt the pain
a primal rage
rise from my intestines
spewing disorder and madness.

The squawk of that Hideous Harpie
That friend of the topless
Charlotte Moorman and
Naum June Paik
refused to lie torpid in my guts
but raised herself to view
Central Park from the
Dakota of my soul

[Inigo Montoya]

Originally posted by I Ate Yoko Ono
Inigo - If I had a pound for every Ferrari/Man Utd fine added together minus all the fans I have ever met who supported any other F1 or football team I'd have........approx £368......By the way, REM suck but early U2 (esp Unforgettable Fire album) is awesome. I appreciate what you are trying to say to me about being different for the sake of it when you are at high school, but take no offence for trying to be different as I grow older.

Fair enough IAYO... Trust me... I've been an Cavallino fan ever since I saw Gilles win here at home in Canada as a ten year old Italo-Canadian. I was rewarded a couple of years later with Sheckter's WDC, but then Gilles died, and.... well, Ferrari didn't win anything after that for 20 years (my whole adult life). But I kept believing.

REM doesn't suck.. most consistent American band out there (with perhaps the exception of Yo La Tengo). And U2's best albums were Boy and October IMHO. But I digress...

[eatapc]

Originally posted by I Ate Yoko Ono
Differences of opinions are great, that is what makes a competitive forum, I hav just been surprised by how few are willing to buck the trend.

IAYO, I read your original post 3 times, and I still can't figure out what you're talking about. Your second post, which I've quoted above, is quite reasonable, except I'm not sure about which trend I should be bucking. I'd be happy to join you as a contrarian, but I don't think there is a prevailing wisdom on this forum, so how can I be contrary to it? I can't imagine posting ANYTHING here that wouldn't be seen by some as contrary and obstinate.

Personally, I hate both the driver bashing and the hero worship. I follow F1 because I like cars and racing, and F1 is, for the most part, the pinnacle -- the top drivers in the most advanced cars. All of the drivers, like all human beings, can be criticized, but none should be dismissed. Other forums I've checked out are considerably worse in this regard than 10-tenths, but a few more threads like the sophomoric "Montoya is garbage" and I'll quickly lose interest here. The difference between the best driver, Schumacher, and the worst (you fill in the blank -- I'm not touching it) is very, very small.

I watched the Porsche Cup and Ferrari Challenge support races at Indy last weekend. Sam Hornish, the current IRL leader, was quite mediocre as a celebrity Porsche driver -- and he was showing everyone the blisters on his hands as proof that he wasn't taking it easy out there. Last year, Mario Andretti and Al Unser Jr. were equally bad. It just shows you that even good drivers can't jump into a different kind of car than they're used to and do well right off the bat. In the Ferrari Challenge, a "gentleman's racing" series, Dr. Steve Earle was about 2 seconds a lap faster than anyone else -- and these are identical cars. The difference between Earle and the others was immense.

In F1, all the drivers are great. None of them deserve to be called garbage. In fact, none of them need to retire; we just need more teams in F1 so that there are more opportunities for young drivers.

[I Ate Yoko Ono]

Originally posted by eatapc


"Personally, I hate both the driver bashing and the hero worship. I follow F1 because I like cars and racing, and F1 is, for the most part, the pinnacle -- the top drivers in the most advanced cars"



"In F1, all the drivers are great. None of them deserve to be called garbage. In fact, none of them need to retire; we just need more teams in F1 so that there are more opportunities for young drivers."



eatpc Couldn't conform with your opinion more.

[Number Juan]

what were/are you smoking when you wrote this? to be honest, i couldnt really care who supports who and what people think about who (sometimes) but when you had a go at AJ you went past the line. and to be frank, i'd rather make friends than be a non-conformist that hates capitalism and albums that sell more than 100 records...

i once saw something
that made me laugh
it wasnt a ring
it was a bark
it was that one named ONO
what a laugh!

[I Ate Yoko Ono]

Originally posted by Number Juan

i'd rather make friends than be a non-conformist that hates capitalism and albums that sell more than 100 records...

On the basis I work and make a good living as a broker in London I think your claim I hate capitalism falls about as wide of the mark as saying Lenin, Marx, Trotsky and Stalin hated communism. Where on earth did you get that idea from?

[Number Juan]

and where did you get the idea that you hated dear ol' AJ?

cool youre a broker in london well done...but i think that you should just like calm down and accept that lots of people support the popular teams...its just the way it is - so just give it a rest please.

other than that, no hard feelings.

[Bononi]

Ok, now Formula Juan, don't tell me that you're gonna marry Connie !!!

[Tristan]

NUmber Juan: reffering to anyone in particualar with your statement?? (cheeky little.....!!)

[I Ate Yoko Ono]

To quote Pearl Jam:


"Whoooooooooaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh I'm still alive yeeeeeaaahhheeeahhh I'm, whoooooaaaaaa I'm still alive........!"

[Valve Bounce]

Originally posted by I Ate Yoko Ono



I was there standing on the dockside waving when all four of these ships embarked on voyages of sadness,

If your nick means anything, you must have been scared $hitless and getting both seasick and diarrhoea just standing on the dock, too scared to make a move.

Many here go off and make a stand, their choice of voyage depending on their enthusiasm and favourites - they have the courage of their convictions to state them, even if others think they are wrong and debate the point.
Sitting on the fence forever just gives you a sore bum.

[I Ate Yoko Ono]

Originally posted by Valve Bounce


"If your nick means anything, you must have been scared $hitless and getting both seasick and diarrhoea just standing on the dock, too scared to make a move.

Many here go off and make a stand, their choice of voyage depending on their enthusiasm and favourites - they have the courage of their convictions to state them, even if others think they are wrong and debate the point.
Sitting on the fence forever just gives you a sore bum. "

Yes, well done Valve Bounce you just understood the point I made in my first post. A round of applause from the dockside as Valve Bounce embarks on a voyage aboard the HMS "I Missd the Point".

[Valve Bounce]

Originally posted by I Ate Yoko Ono

Too many people in this forum jumped onto the HMS Alonso as it left port.

I was there standing on the dockside waving when all four of these ships embarked on voyages of sadness, conformity and lack of imagination, sailing in the opposite direction forever from the port of individuality, where I for one, and about two other people here from my judgement, still reside.

Have a nice voyage. I hope you keep to your schedule so you all reach the land of homogenous F1 fans in time to pick up your Ferrari and Michael Schumacher souvenirs. I'll pass up on the opportunity if you don't mind as I have opinions and a life of my own.

Dare to be different. Break the mould.

OK!! I was probably the first to jump on board the HMAS Alonso, and proud of it, and I have appreciated it every time he qualified in front of a Benneton, BAR, and not least both Arrows last week. Nothing to be ashamed of on the HMAS Alonso, and still enjoying the trip.

You wouldn't dare to be different, except rubbing a sore bum while sitting on the fence. What mould did you break? - the dunny seat?

I didn't miss your point - I saw through it.

[Alan Jones]

Originally posted by I Ate Yoko Ono

AlanJones - I'm more concerned with putting across valid opinions than saying something that I know everyone else will agree with just to win friends on this forum. You must have noticed that about a lot of my posts by now!


I actually like BAR. Another team that just gets moaned about all the time. But why? They are the true renegades in F1. They came into the sport out of the blue with a good budget, a competitive attitude and a brilliant driver (who also likes to speak the truth sometimes when few others are prepared to), and didn't care for reputation or history in the ay TGF did about Senna, or JPM about TGF. And yet in those cases, the drivers are lauded for their attitude. Why not for a team?

Yoko eater, this is why I asked if you had read the book, I was under the impression you were out to stir a few on the forum and replied with a little humour of my own, notice the smiley ?


And , I agree with all you have to say about BAR, and no, I'm not trying to win a new friend, just stating a point that we both agree on

BTW, you should move out here, you could start backing a team that wins on the cricket field
But now you have Rod Marsh as coach,another great Australian, maybe this will change.

[I Ate Yoko Ono]

Originally posted by AlanJones



"BTW, you should move out here, you could start backing a team that wins on the cricket field
But now you have Rod Marsh as coach,another great Australian, maybe this will change. "


AJ, I doubt anything will change surrounding England's cricket performance in my lifetime.....other than the fact we can now blame an Australian coach when things go wrong!!!.....wait a minute, what's that?We just beat Zimbabwe!???(Faints at desk in shock)...perhaps Mr Marsh is having an effect after all...

[I Ate Yoko Ono]

Originally posted by Number Juan

"i'd rather make friends than be a non-conformist that hates capitalism and albums that sell more than 100 records..."

No. Please read the poem by Martin Niemoller below.

"First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out — because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the communists
and I did not speak out — because I was not a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out — because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me —
and by then there was no one left to speak out for me."

— Pastor Martin Niemöller

Number Juan, the most important thing in life is to stand up for what you believe in, and that includes the times it does not make you friends or allow you to fit in.


"Then they came for the BAR fans, and I did not speak out - because I was not a BAR fan.

Then they came for the people who didn't like Ferrari, and I did not speak out - because my favourite colour is red.

Then they came for the Montoya fans - and I did not speak out because I think he is overrated garbage because everyone else said so..."

I8YO.

Get the point now?

[eatapc]

And then they came for Yoko Ono ...

[BBKing]

If you stand up for everything then you are not really standing up for anything…LOL

[Neil C]

I think the phrase is "if you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything."

In any case, there's a hole below the waterline of this thread. I'm abandoning ship.

Bon Voyage.

[Valve Bounce]

Originally posted by Neil C
I think the phrase is "if you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything."

In any case, there's a hole below the waterline of this thread. I'm abandoning ship.

Bon Voyage.

Me too!!

But just befor I go, I have to say that I admire the guys here who were silly enough to rubbish JPM, because they took the risk of looking very foolish if proven wrong.
Those who wanted Jean Alesi to quit now, well they may have their head screwed on wrong, but their heart is in the right place, beause there is a movement now in F1 to start with really young drivers, especially those who can bring lots of money directly or sponsorship cash, and when they prove their skills like Kimi, they will make a very tidy profit for the team like Sauber. Sooner or later, Jean will be turfed out for a young gun so that a more lucrative business deal can be made.
I don't agree with what they say, but like Liz, I will defend their right too say it, as long as I get a chance to gloat when they are proven wrong. But at least they had the guts to come out and say what they thought.
And now, I leave this thread on this happy note. Adios.

[FastJoel31]

Wheres the lifeboat!!! HMS This Post is sinking. AHHHHH!!!

Hey calm down everyone this is Formula 1 not Formula Gun (I love saying that!)

[I Ate Yoko Ono]

Originally posted by Valve Bounce

"And now, I leave this thread on this happy note. Adios."


STOP PRESS...STOP PRESS...The world of formula 1 today was shocked by the departure of Valve Bounce from a thread on the Ten-Tenths website.....both Bernie and Max have been consulted.

Max Mosley stated that F1 would never be the same agin.
Bernie Ecclestone was distraught but said that it would not affect F1 viewing figures.

[Wrex]

Originally posted by FastJoel31
Wheres the lifeboat!!! HMS This Post is sinking. AHHHHH!!!

It was sinking to where is belongs

[Number Juan]

Originally posted by I Ate Yoko Ono
Originally posted by Valve Bounce

"And now, I leave this thread on this happy note. Adios."


STOP PRESS...STOP PRESS...The world of formula 1 today was shocked by the departure of Valve Bounce from a thread on the Ten-Tenths website.....both Bernie and Max have been consulted.

Max Mosley stated that F1 would never be the same agin.
Bernie Ecclestone was distraught but said that it would not affect F1 viewing figures.

please, please stop now.

wrex, i agree and i think it should have sunk a long long time ago in fact i would stick my neck out and say, this ship [post] should never have set sail, i mean the ship [post] is just not sea-worthy [waste of time]

i put the words [in brackets] to help those of you trying to paraphrase everything i say a little helping hand...no names guys, no names.