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10 Jul 2017, 16:12 (Ref:3750208) | #26 | ||
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10 Jul 2017, 16:21 (Ref:3750211) | #28 | ||
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10 Jul 2017, 17:29 (Ref:3750222) | #29 | ||
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Because Ricciardo only said it looked like he did, Vettel is insisting he is and is making himself look a right berk, when it was proved he didn't |
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10 Jul 2017, 19:07 (Ref:3750245) | #31 | ||
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10 Jul 2017, 19:08 (Ref:3750246) | #32 | ||
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Me too - I thought that straight away. But when it was replayed, it was clear it was just a brilliant start.
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10 Jul 2017, 20:51 (Ref:3750268) | #33 | ||
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It strikes me as a bit funny that some are surprised whenever a F1 driver makes a good start; they should always make good starts, provided that there are no mechanical gremlins.
However, I wonder whether the powers that be will ever return to the old system of grid formation, when the cars started on alternate rows, three abreast and two abreast. Yes it means that the cars are more tightly bunched at the first few corners, but at least it would almost eliminate the speed differential between the cars at the front of the grid and those at the rear. The way it is now, I would guess that the cars at the back would probably be in a higher gear by the time that they get to the braking zone. And this is why there are comings together so often at the starts of the races; each row of cars is reaching a higher velocity than the preceding row of cars. |
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10 Jul 2017, 20:55 (Ref:3750269) | #34 | ||
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What a damn good post Mike. Silly really, just common sense if you think about it.
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10 Jul 2017, 21:02 (Ref:3750270) | #35 | |
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And it would also hopefully see the end of weaving at the start. Of course there would be the question over how the poleman would still have an advantage, but then he would still be on the clean side
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10 Jul 2017, 21:15 (Ref:3750273) | #36 | ||
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If your aim is to reduce the chance of a coming together at the start any benefit reduction in speed differential due to starting them on side by side rows that have a smaller gap is more than lost with the increased density. Simply put more cars in the same area increases the chance of contact, especially with the higher acceleration and deceleration rates of current F1 cars compared to reaction times.
I'm not against a proper side-by-side grid formation. However my rationale is not safety, but competition! |
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10 Jul 2017, 21:19 (Ref:3750274) | #37 | ||
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It was a great start. However, when I saw the graphic appear I couldn't believe it said 2 tenths of a second... because that's terrible. I'm curious as to how they measure this. At a local drag strip here you would take some serious crap for cutting anything in the tenths and not in the hundredths.
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10 Jul 2017, 22:00 (Ref:3750281) | #38 | ||
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IIRC the graphic said 0.201s.
I think the measurement comes from sensors in the grid spot. |
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10 Jul 2017, 22:04 (Ref:3750283) | #39 | ||
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Adam, I acknowledge that the cars would be packed tighter together, but at least the drivers would be, or certainly should be, far more aware of where the other cars around them were. It would also stop a lot of the weaving and darting into gaps that are closing rapidly.
I'm not trying to say that things were necessarily better in days of yore, but my memory tells me that there were far fewer comings together at the start of races, based on side by side starts, in the long distant past. |
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10 Jul 2017, 22:25 (Ref:3750289) | #40 | ||
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I recall (so probably wrong!) the changes were made as the cars got quicker and accidents became more likely.
The not weaving thing is a good point, but sometimes having the space to do that might be required! For aggressive defending I'm with you. I certainly know in our much slower form the tighter spacing make sense. If only to make it more fun |
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10 Jul 2017, 22:59 (Ref:3750295) | #41 | ||
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Thing that ragged me was Vettel still banging on about it after the race and AFTER Bottas start had been adjudged to be ok.
God i wish Alonso was in the other Ferrari!! |
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Perhaps he thinks that to have a reaction time that quick you have to 'jump' the start..... |
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11 Jul 2017, 06:08 (Ref:3750326) | #45 | ||
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A lot (ie all) of the posters here have their own opinion on Bottas's start, rather surprisingly so does Sebastien Vettel.*
Oh! Of course his doesn't count. |
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11 Jul 2017, 06:22 (Ref:3750332) | #46 | ||
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I don't care that his opinion differs to the telemetry and stewards, he is entitled to it after all, but what I found annoying (as did others it seems) is that he wouldn't accept that it could be wrong...... Same as side swiping another car in apparent anger (regardless of who was driving it)!
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11 Jul 2017, 06:26 (Ref:3750333) | #47 | ||
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And he kept on accusing Bottas for a jump start during every post race interview. Even mentioned it during the podium interviews and tried to pass it onto Ricciardo to explain, hoping Ricciardo would then get the bad rep. RIC didn't bite and made VET look like the whinger he is.
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11 Jul 2017, 07:04 (Ref:3750337) | #48 | ||
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It's quite embarassing really?
Ferrari need to have a word, he's getting a bit too cavalier. |
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In F1, the five lights turn on in 1 sec intervals, and the time from when all five lights on to all lights out is a totally random time that is computer controlled. The race director has no control of this delay. Predicting what that time is going to be is totally impossible. Getting a visual reaction time under 0.150sec is almost humanly impossible. The average human visual reaction time is about 0.250sec. So Bottas' reaction time, was said to be 0.201sec, is above average - and if his reaction time had been 0.180sec or below, it would have been deemed a jump start. |
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11 Jul 2017, 08:08 (Ref:3750343) | #50 | ||
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So Grosjean deliberately parked it with an "electrical issue" with just a couple of minutes left in Q3 so he could hold position. This sort of tactic needs to be stamped out of the sport. Rosberg did it Monaco 2014 too.
One way is to amend the qualifying rules where if you were the cause for the yellow or red flag during qualifying, then your fastest time is deleted and the next best time is used instead. This should stop this sort of dirty tactics. |
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