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26 Jul 2011, 13:56 (Ref:2931346) | #26 | ||
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I must correct myself on that statement in that Jerry Hansen acquired the remaining T220, SL220/2, to replace his T165 with which had he garnered an invitation to the 1970 SCCA Runoffs in ASR. He apparently purchased this latest hardware for the ASR championship race run November 29, 1970, where he earned an uncharacteristic 2nd place. IIRC, Jerry won an amazing 26 SCCA Runoff national championships in ASR, BSR, FA, FB, and GT1 cars.
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The St. Jovite/Mont Tremblant Can-Am was on June 28, 1970, and the 11th place finisher was Horst Petermann in a McLaren M1C-Chevy. The race on the second weekend in July ("11.07.70") was at Watkins Glen and it was run on the 12th. 14th place finisher was Bob Bondurant in a Lola T160-Chevy. The Road Atlanta Can-Am referenced was on Sept. 13 and there was no 14th place finisher if you don't count DNFs. The Donnybrooke Can-Am was on Sept. 27 ("12.09.70") and the 10th place finisher was Peter Gregg in a Lola T165-Chevy. If someone was presenting a car to me with this "data". I would be suspicious of the whole dea!!! |
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7 Aug 2011, 01:07 (Ref:2936771) | #29 | ||
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Thanks for the update. The current owner Mr Church has talked to Mr Johnson but My posts here were what I could remember & not taken from any notes. Kazato died in a racing crash in 1974 http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus.php?db=ct&n=138 Here is the Larry Johnson info: http://www.racingsportscars.com/driv...on-USA-II.html I have seen the Revson T220-2, the tub looks like a T220 that was lengthened. And has quite a few visual differences to a T222 tub in the dash to roll bar area. I noticed the steering shaft angle was changed & the original position was still there. Haas team member Ike Smith knows a lot about this car. After crashing the T220, Lola modified this T220 tub into a T222. David Last edited by davidpozzi; 7 Aug 2011 at 01:20. |
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7 Aug 2011, 02:26 (Ref:2936776) | #30 | |
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Sorry it's too late for me to go back and correct the prefix to "SL" instead of "T", after a half-hour, I'm locked out of editing my posts.
I should have also should not have implied the car was a 222, it was a one-off lengthened 220, the 222 tubs had lots of differences. |
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7 Aug 2011, 06:43 (Ref:2936798) | #31 | ||
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Thank you for your post. I own HU 7 and have some history but woud be grateful to acquire any data to add to the notes i have.
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7 Aug 2011, 08:32 (Ref:2936810) | #32 | ||
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going places over the past several confronted me with the following cars:
(in order of the attached pictures) 1. The LM/Revson car was exhibited at the Monterey Jet Center in Audust 2010, owned by Canepa in California, the accompanying description was not specific about its actual chassis number 2. The LM Car Chassis number 2 as offered for auction by Bonhams at the Quail Lodge, coming from the Rosso Bianco collection, that was bought lock stock and barrel by the owner of Bonhams, who has subsequently used his auction house to get rid of the cars he does not want for his own collection (I am sure everybody knows whom I am talking about ) 3. Chassis 03 was offered by Bonhams during their Monaco HGP sale in 2010. I do not have the catalogue at hand so right now I can't recall the history attributed to it. Perhaps it is still on their website 4. Chassis number 4 was at the Silverstone Classic in 2005, (I only took some enigne shots and the plate but I could get hold of shots of the full car if required) 5. Chassis number 6 was at the Monterey Historics in 2007. 6: The Bell and Colville car (from what I now understand is chassis 07) was shot during a Steigenberger race in Zandvoort in 1987 (or 1988). Hopes this helps in getting the history of some cars up-to-date and, Scott, that this replies to your request. () |
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7 Aug 2011, 17:53 (Ref:2936924) | #34 | |
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I have loads of history (photos, letters, print outs, trophies, DVDs, etc) of when my late father raced HU7 in '82 & '83 - possibly a bit later than you want, but PM or email me if you want.
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7 Aug 2011, 18:36 (Ref:2936935) | #35 | ||
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After crashing the first T220, the shorter wheel-based one . . it was rebuilt . . .. ??? If that is what you meant, than SL220/1 is still running around, reincarnated as a T222?? and if that is what you meant, which T222?
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7 Aug 2011, 22:56 (Ref:2936993) | #36 | ||
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Note in the L&M/Revson car photos that there are no fairings on each side, from the roll bar base to the rear wing struts, a feature (or lack of) unique to the the T220s. They are present in the other 3 photos. However, there are no small air intakes in front of each front wheel, which were unique to the T220, so this is probably a replacement T222 nose. I am pretty sure that somewhere online, in a group of photos taken by a visitor to Rosso Biamco that I flipped through, that the car did have those air intakes in his photo. I am thinking, but not 100% sure, that it had a T220 nose at one point during its Rosso Bianco tenure. I am also glad to learn of unique differences in the cockpit area between the types. Obviously, photos with details would be a wonderful addition to that tangent. Thanks for telling us. My in-person experience with these cars has only been with SL220/2 in 1973, so I don't know what those differences would be. I have seen T222s in races since, but not up close.
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8 Aug 2011, 03:11 (Ref:2937031) | #37 | |||
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8 Aug 2011, 07:51 (Ref:2937062) | #38 | |||
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8 Aug 2011, 20:44 (Ref:2937392) | #39 | ||
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That would be great! Also, perhaps he has photos with the bodywork off so that we can better understand what the differences may be chassis-wise between the various cars. As I said previously, I am almost certain that a photo of the car by a museum visitor, did have the additional vents in the nose in front of each wheel. I will scan the web to see if I it is still posted somewhere.
Also, I have been able to track down some of the photos on the Lola Heritage site of T220 development at Lola Cars that I referred to earlier. Here are the earliest shots I can find, a T220 under construction at Slough, and testing of it. Construction and testing pics: T220 at Slough Production at Huntingdon: Production run |
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9 Aug 2011, 06:17 (Ref:2937516) | #40 | ||
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Just a point related to the numbering of Lola Chassis in general. When a model sees the day of light the first car becomes #1 (not uncommon....) However when the model develops over the years, the numbering goes straight on. (Look at eh 210 280 and 290 models, which is one series of numbers covering several years. (The 290 series starts with 290 number one and ends with the 298 number 108 or so).
So for the 220 we have 220 #1 which is generally acknowledged as the Revson car. When it crashed the new car used by Revson after the crash was 222#2. (given a different type number as it was a different car from the 220) Now there are two options. Either #2 is a new tub/chassis, or #1 was salvaged, rebuild and fitted with a longer wheelbase, which is what the sign accompanying the Canepa car would indicate. I think it is highly unlikely that there ever was a chassis 222#1 or a chassis 220#2. So the only question that remains is, whether the Revson car(s) can be counted as one, with two different numbers or two different cars with two different numbers. |
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9 Aug 2011, 21:15 (Ref:2937808) | #41 | |||
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I am still searching the Lola Heritage site for the photos of the room full of T222s under construction, maybe 8-10 of them. You will see it as soon as I find it again! |
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9 Aug 2011, 21:28 (Ref:2937815) | #42 | ||
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Bear in mind that it was just 2 weeks between the crash at Road Atlanta of the first car and the next appearance of Revson in a lengthened T220/T222 at Donnybrooke. Is that enough time to return it to wherever is went from Road Atlanta (UK; Chicago?) and not only repair it, but to lengthen it and whatever else they changed, and then get it to the next race?
My other question is whether it became a T222 when it appeared with the longer wheelbase at Donnybrooke or if the T222 was the customer version that came out in 1971, following Revson's 1970 racing season? |
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17 Aug 2011, 00:59 (Ref:2941921) | #44 | ||
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This weekend I spoke with the current owner of 222/2. His version of events is consistent with what I suggested one post up here. 220/1 was destroyed, Lola had already begun production of the longer wheelbase customer chassis (222), and it just so happened that 222/2 was about ready when 220/1 crashed out, so the new car could be quickly shipped to the USA. Not wanting to disturb the crowds or for other reasosn, they continued to enlist the car as a 220 for the remainder of the season.
In the mean time I found on the Lola heritage site that 222/3 is now owned by Roger Wills, a regular on 10-10ths, and also an avid historic racer, so we may see more of that car pretty soon. Last edited by henk4; 17 Aug 2011 at 01:08. |
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29 Mar 2015, 22:01 (Ref:3521619) | #45 | ||
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I have seen the tub currently in the car and it looks more like a T220 than a T222. Henry said they had a guy lengthen the 220 body to fit the longer chassis. The extra wheelbase added stability. I had photos but can't find them. If I find them I'll post 'em up. |
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29 Mar 2015, 23:11 (Ref:3521658) | #46 | |
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Here is the Revson tub front end.
My Carl Haas Revson Album: http://s117.photobucket.com/user/dav...?sort=3&page=1 Here is the Kazato T222 HU8 My Kazato Album: http://s117.photobucket.com/user/dav...?sort=3&page=1 Last edited by davidpozzi; 29 Mar 2015 at 23:17. |
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28 Apr 2023, 17:37 (Ref:4153376) | #47 | |
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Perhaps what I didn’t make fully clear is the original 220 Revson chassis was crashed & thrown away. Lola took a 220 tub & modified it to a longer wheelbase for more handling stability, sent it to the team for Donnybrook & the team hired a fiberglass specialist to lengthen the bodywork to fit. Evidence of the changes is in the steering shaft angle, the old 220 clearance in the tub can be seen below the new angle. There are differences on each side of the driver & instrument panel area.
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