BREAKING NEWS: Montoya may miss Bahrain GP - Page 2

Kicking-back · 27 Mar 2005, 17:57 (Ref:1263035)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

Is there a link that can back up this rumour other than what autosport have to say?

I love the way news stories are dismissed as rumours just because the people involved haven't publicly confirmed them!

ralf fan · 27 Mar 2005, 18:00 (Ref:1263039)

Well after the whole "JV to Williams" thing...i dont think you can blame them KB....

Kicking-back · 27 Mar 2005, 18:04 (Ref:1263041)

When was the JV to Williams thing ever reported as a definite?

The story today is - Juan Pablo Montoya has injured his shoulder and has been told to rest it for three weeks.

That leads to the line he "MAY miss the Grand Prix" - because it hasn't been officially decided yet - although knowing what we do now - that McLaren are hastily preparing an MP4/20 for Wurz, we can reasonably assume Montoya will not be racing.

Hazard · 27 Mar 2005, 19:37 (Ref:1263069)

de la Rosa is still the obvious choice for filling in unless there is some contractual obligation for Wurz to race.

Another thing - partially related. Rules state that a driver must use an engine for two consecutive races, not the car. So if someone did fill in for Montoya for one race, they can go flat out since the team are allowed to change the engine for Montoya's return in San Marino anyway?

ralf fan · 27 Mar 2005, 19:41 (Ref:1263071)

but then Montoya will have to use the engine for Imola and Spain i guess...not really sure on this...

Hazard · 27 Mar 2005, 19:51 (Ref:1263075)

It would put Montoya out of sync, but that's all. It's more the advantage that it gives the one off drivers...I'm going off topic slightly now though

Kicking-back · 27 Mar 2005, 19:58 (Ref:1263078)

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Originally Posted by Hazard

de la Rosa is still the obvious choice for filling in unless there is some contractual obligation for Wurz to race.

Another thing - partially related. Rules state that a driver must use an engine for two consecutive races, not the car. So if someone did fill in for Montoya for one race, they can go flat out since the team are allowed to change the engine for Montoya's return in San Marino anyway?

No - the engine rule applies to the car.

StickShift · 27 Mar 2005, 19:59 (Ref:1263083)

The engine belongs to the car. It would be no different than Davidson using Sato's engine at the Malaysian Grand Prix.

Hazard · 27 Mar 2005, 20:00 (Ref:1263084)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

No - the engine rule applies to the car.

Does not!

Article 85
FIA Sporting Regulations

Kicking-back · 27 Mar 2005, 20:02 (Ref:1263085)

I agree that's what the rule states, but in practice, it's being applied to the car - qv Anthony Davidson.

StickShift · 27 Mar 2005, 20:03 (Ref:1263086)

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Originally Posted by Hazard

Does not!

Article 85
FIA Sporting Regulations

See article 58, section B (Page 8)

Hazard · 27 Mar 2005, 20:06 (Ref:1263094)

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Originally Posted by StickShift

See article 58, section B (Page 8)

True - I was about to give in - but again...it says 'event', not 'two events'.

I think they've fluffed the wording on this thing.

Kicking-back · 27 Mar 2005, 20:07 (Ref:1263096)

58B does not apply, because Pedro would be going into the race weekend as the nominated race driver, rather than as the third driver.

Nicholosophy · 27 Mar 2005, 20:56 (Ref:1263140)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

I agree that's what the rule states, but in practice, it's being applied to the car - qv Anthony Davidson.

I think the Anthony Davidson situation was different because of article 58. Sato had already started the weekend with that engine, so Davidson was required to use it.

I think in this case the rules state the Pedro could use a new engine and next race JPM could use a new one without penalty. But then the question begs - if Pedro runs this race, then in say four or five races time is required to sub again, is he required to use that same engine a second time?

I realise all this is absurd, but if you are taking the rules on face value...

**GTRMagic** · 27 Mar 2005, 21:26 (Ref:1263163)

Meantime... is Mr Montoya to be classed as a wuss...

given that Mr Webber has driven 2 Grand Prix with abroken rib, and what seems to be quite a lot of pain, and breathing challenges????

Here's hoping a fracture of this nature can be corrected sooner rather than later...

Dangerous things tennis racquets

Rennen · 27 Mar 2005, 21:32 (Ref:1263168)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

Alex is doing a lot of tyre testing in an MP4-19B chassis - they are making an MP4-20 which he will fit, but it won't be ready until Barcelona.

I'm wondering if Ron might turn to Mika Hakkinen for Friday in Bahrain - he's said he wouldn't race F1 again - but this would be just testing!

Would make more sense to use Darren Turner, if his Prodrive GT drive permits. Darren is very much still part of the development team.

Mr V · 27 Mar 2005, 21:32 (Ref:1263169)

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Originally Posted by Formula Juan

Wurz was rubbish 1999-onwards

If you actually bothered to research anything, you would know that Fisi had the majority of the qualifying engines throughout the season, when he did have equal engines for quali's he was right up there, if not in front of Fisi.

Rennen · 27 Mar 2005, 21:46 (Ref:1263178)

[QUOTE=NickoGP]I think the Anthony Davidson situation was different because of article 58. Sato had already started the weekend with that engine, so Davidson was required to use it.

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Correct! (and he had to use the tyres Sato flat spotted spinning in first day practice! Nice!)

Logrence · 27 Mar 2005, 21:48 (Ref:1263180)

I would love to see Alex Wurz back racing an F1 car - quite inept of McLaren to have built a car that their test driver can't fit into. Still, not as bad 1995 when Nige couldn't fit into his race car.

I'd hope De La Rosa will make the best of the opportunity - McLaren have always marked Bahrain out as the circuit where they shall be starting the season. 'We shall be strong' in Bahrain, they say. We will certainly see.

BootsOntheSide · 27 Mar 2005, 21:54 (Ref:1263182)

Presumably Pedro / Alex would get a fresh engine, and JPM again a fresh one when he returns. Clearly there is another grey area here that the FIA would be well-advised to close quickly.

Rennen · 27 Mar 2005, 22:06 (Ref:1263189)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

No - the engine rule applies to the car.

I just asked AD he says "driver"...unless you take over a car thats been running at that event by another driver...as he did!

alesi95 · 27 Mar 2005, 22:30 (Ref:1263204)

could be worse....he could have broken it after i made my race predictions.

Mekola · 28 Mar 2005, 00:44 (Ref:1263268)

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Originally Posted by foxy mole

De la Rosa was the nominated third driver for the first three races anyway. If Wurz can't fit into the latest car (and he is most certainly not rubbish), then just possibly Darren Turner will be given a run. He does a lot of background work for the team.

Darren Turner - quite a good idea. But why not Gary Paffett for the 3rd driver role at Bahrain?

DannyG · 28 Mar 2005, 01:49 (Ref:1263288)

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Originally Posted by alesi95

could be worse....he could have broken it after i made my race predictions.

Kicking-back · 28 Mar 2005, 05:27 (Ref:1263318)

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Originally Posted by Logrence

I would love to see Alex Wurz back racing an F1 car - quite inept of McLaren to have built a car that their test driver can't fit into. Still, not as bad 1995 when Nige couldn't fit into his race car.

It's not inept - the race drivers fit in it comfortably - and Alex will fit once mods have been made for him.

There are packaging benefits to be gained from how it was designed - why compromise those for the test driver?

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