The Lion King is dead (Skaife), long live the new Lion King (Tander).

[DAVID PATERSON]

Glenn Seton celebrates his 41st birthday this year and I wouldn't dare suggest he is too old for it.

Is Russell Ingall really only 40?

[peckstar]

ingall is 42

[Average Punter]

Originally Posted by peckstar

ingall is 42

Each year in the Great Race book on Bathurst, they put in a little bio about the drivers. They add that "some of the dates of birth are known to be incorrect..." A pointed reference to Rusty's.

Why is it such a state secret???

[peckstar]

well his birthday is 24th of feb and apprantly he was born in 1964



does anyone know any different

[Erki]

This would be the points standings under MotoGP points system:

1 Craig Lowndes 0(238 points)
2 Garth Tander -17
3 Mark Skaife -40
4 Rick Kelly -56
5 Jason Bright -83
6 Russell Ingall -91
7 Mark Winterbottom -95
8 Steven Richards -104
9 Jamie Whincup -109
10 Jason Richards -132

Skaife has 6 race wins, more tha any other driver this year. Only one of them from everse grid race.

[pete55]

Originally Posted by Erki

This would be the points standings under MotoGP points system:

1 Craig Lowndes 0(238 points)
2 Garth Tander -17
3 Mark Skaife -40
4 Rick Kelly -56
5 Jason Bright -83
6 Russell Ingall -91
7 Mark Winterbottom -95
8 Steven Richards -104
9 Jamie Whincup -109
10 Jason Richards -132

Skaife has 6 race wins, more tha any other driver this year. Only one of them from everse grid race.

So you are awarding the points per race, not per round. This means that a 3 race round is worth 3 times as much as Sandown and Bathurst. Bloody ridiculous.

[peckstar]

except that at this stage we havent had a single race round, we have had 6 three race rounds and 1 two race round

but it wouldnt work if we had been to bathurst and sandown, that is correct

i think more of the prooblem is that reverse grid races have received equal points which was never the intention, so as a result you are unable to use moto gp in that way

Try it using the weekend results rather than individual race results erki

[Erki]

I considered giving Adelaide, Sandown and Bathurst some coefficent to make those rounds count more.

[Erki]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Try it using the weekend results rather than individual race results erki

But how I calculate the round results? What point system do I use for the races? THe current/MotoGP/F1/something else?

I'll try several ones then.

[Erki]

1 Craig Lowndes 103 0
2 Garth Tander 86 -17
3 Mark Skaife 83 -20
4 Rick Kelly 79 -24
5 Jason Bright 67 -36
6 Russell Ingall 56 -47
6 Jamie Whincup 56 -47
8 Mark Winterbottom 55 -48
9 Steven Richards 49 -54
10 Jason Richards 43 -60

This is how top 10 looks when inside a round, every race has Moto Gp points system, then top 15 of those points get the round points(moto Gp system)
The only thing with this is that I don't have tie breakers for drivers who finish a round with same points. For example, at Winton, Mark Skaife, Garth Tander, Jamie Whincup and Paul Dumbrell all got 27 points from races and were tied for the fifth place and all got 11 points... I'll try and get that worked out tho.

[pete55]

Looks about right to me. Winners and place getters are rewarded.

[The Hrt Kid]

looks 100% spot on for me. Rewards winning and being up the front. Makes you wonder though, if the points were like that, would it be a different make up in points. Could we see more passing just from that?

[Grimace]

Originally Posted by Rombles1

So just how different are the HRT and HSVDT teams, management and cars? Is it only the testing they are sharing, or is there more to it than that? Maybe they just need to find the black cat that is sleeping in the HRT side of the shed... get rid of that and the bad luck might go away.... It certainly doesn't seem to have tainted HSVDT at all.

There are a couple of lines being pushed here.... one that Skaife has lost his edge.... the other that HRT themselves are the problem. If Skaife has lost it there shouldn't be any questions about the cars....but Todd is struggling too - has he lost his edge as well? (not that is was as sharp an edge as Skaifes). If it is HRT that are the problem, then how can you write off Skaife - he hasn't had reliable enough equipment to show that he could still be the Lion King. That would be like saying that Lowndes should have packed it in when he was at 00.

that black cat spent part of last night in each shed

[Rombles1]

There's still a fair gulf between the number of failures for each side of the shed. Hopefully Blacky will stay back on the HRT side, and not venture over to HSVDT again!

[Caltex Racing]

What happened?

[marcus]

gearbox failure of some sort is what I could work out from the TV coverage.

Maybe Todd and Mark swapped cars for the weekend without Mark knowing ?

[doug05]

He really ruined the race results didn't he peckstar

[billy bigtime]

Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
So let's sing a song of cheer again
Happy days are here again

Altogether shout it now
There's no one
Who can doubt it now
So let's tell the world about it now
Happy days are here again

Your cares and troubles are gone
There'll be no more from now on
From now on ...

Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
So, Let's sing a song of cheer again

Happy times
Happy nights
Happy days
Are here again!

[retro]

Originally Posted by billy bigtime

Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
So let's sing a song of cheer again
Happy days are here again

Altogether shout it now
There's no one
Who can doubt it now
So let's tell the world about it now
Happy days are here again

Your cares and troubles are gone
There'll be no more from now on
From now on ...

Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
So, Let's sing a song of cheer again

Happy times
Happy nights
Happy days
Are here again!

.....maybe not Tricky.......see Race 2........

[billybanana]

Originally Posted by billy bigtime

Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
So let's sing a song of cheer again
Happy days are here again

Out with the broken record yet again. Not only is your constant sniping highly predictable but is also extremely boring.

So you don't like Skaife. So what. Get over it.

[bestfit]

And Mr Rust's opening line for today's telecast .......
(Tander) "Is this the new Lion King?"

Who reads 10 Tenths then???

[stmorri]

Originally Posted by bestfit

And Mr Rust's opening line for today's telecast .......
(Tander) "Is this the new Lion King?"

Who reads 10 Tenths then???

He stole my line!!!

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by retro

.....maybe not Tricky.......see Race 2........

maybe retro........ see race 3..........

Happy Days
Happy Days

[Razor]

I think the only few teams that use non holinger internals are DJR with Modena gearing and Tasman with SEW-Eurodrive cogs. I think it is the way that both Todd and Mark are shifting from cog to cog that is causing the trouble.

[Erki]

Time for an update: points after Oran Park
race points:
Pos Driver TOTAL Diff
1 Craig Lowndes 303 0
2 Garth Tander 232 -71
3 Mark Skaife 223 -80
4 Rick Kelly 221 -82
5 Jason Bright 168 -135
6 Russell Ingall 162 -141
7 Mark Winterbottom 158 -145
8 Jamie Whincup 150 -153
9 Steven Richards 147 -156
10 Jason Richards 117 -186
11 Steven Johnson 109 -194
12 James Courtney 105 -198
13 Todd Kelly 94 -209
14 Paul Dumbrell 85 -218
15 Greg Murphy 69 -234

round points:
Pos Driver TOTAL
1 Craig Lowndes 128 0
2 Rick Kelly 99 -29
3 Mark Skaife 92 -36
4 Garth Tander 89 -39
5 Jason Bright 72 -56
6 Jamie Whincup 64 -64
7 Russell Ingall 63 -65
8 Mark Winterbottom 62 -66
9 Steven Richards 54 -74
10 Jason Richards 46 -82
11 Steven Johnson 43 -85
12 James Courtney 36 -92
13 Todd Kelly 34 -94
14 Paul Dumbrell 29 -99
15 Greg Murphy 19 -109