WEC New rules. New manufacturers. The 2021 and beyond positivity thread! - Page 2

Pandamasque · 11 Dec 2020, 19:07 (Ref:4022225)

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Originally Posted by seanyb505

I like the way a few entrants are approaching this from the customer team perspective. While it doesn't explicitly limit costs, you probably won't get as many sales if you're exorbitantly pricier than other competitive options.

Unless the car has a badge that makes it instantly collectable.

Napolis · 14 Dec 2020, 19:06 (Ref:4022952)

https://www.topgear.com.ph/features/...a4354-20201214

Napolis · 15 Dec 2020, 12:50 (Ref:4023057)

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Pandamasque · 15 Dec 2020, 14:20 (Ref:4023072)

Is there a planned shakedown date for the 007?

Sodemo · 15 Dec 2020, 15:21 (Ref:4023080)

2000mm width sounds good (they never should have narrowed them in the first place in 2013 was it?), however they shouldnt be looking too fondly of F1 and their outrageous bus length F1 cars. Yes, I know you get more aero, yes I know they are more stable, but id rather see wider, shorter cars, you know, like "sportscars".

Napolis · 15 Dec 2020, 15:47 (Ref:4023090)

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Originally Posted by Pandamasque

Is there a planned shakedown date for the 007?

January

Rf1 Fan · 15 Dec 2020, 17:59 (Ref:4023113)

Porsche back for 2023, lmdh (usa and wec).
https://www.stuttgarter-nachrichten....f417ece97.html

Spyderman · 15 Dec 2020, 18:07 (Ref:4023114)

Tique · 15 Dec 2020, 18:31 (Ref:4023117)

Audi, Acura, Glikenhaus, Peugeot, Porsche and Toyota.
Have a nice christmas

And some of those will be available to privateers. Feel like we are in the late 80's

GT6 · 15 Dec 2020, 20:17 (Ref:4023137)

Well even more good news, but having both audi and porsche back makes me think that VAG group does not seem to be functioning as a group.

chernaudi · 15 Dec 2020, 21:17 (Ref:4023145)

Didn't seem to be a problem in '14-16.

Akrapovic · 15 Dec 2020, 22:44 (Ref:4023159)

Full Porsche announcement 15 minutes from this post.

Simmi · 15 Dec 2020, 23:05 (Ref:4023161)

Early Christmas present from Porsche. Full WEC and IMSA programmes plus likely future customer cars. Dream scenario.

https://presse.porsche.de/prod/press...sionid=1161442

**PascaLM** · 16 Dec 2020, 01:43 (Ref:4023174)

Wow. If Ferrari do such an announcement, let's hope they will, there could be at Le Mans 2023 five manufacturers representing at least 47 wins (9 + 19 + 13 + 3 + 3 so far). With Bentley or Jaguar it could be perfect. Why not ?
This thread is well named.

Pandamasque · 16 Dec 2020, 02:59 (Ref:4023183)

Here's an interesting thought.

In 2021 all 3 LMH entrants say they'll have 2-cars each from the get go.
In 2023 just with all the 2021 players re-committing to the top class we'll likely have 10 different marques competing at Le Mans

Audi – LMDh
Porsche – LMDh
Peugeot – LMH
Toyota – LMH
Glickenhaus – LMH
ByKolles – LMH
Honda/Acura – LMDh (TBC)
GM - LMDh (TBC)
Mazda – LMDh (TBC)
Alpine – LMDh?

That could be around 25 cars even without other rumoured entrants like Ford, McLaren or Ferrari.

Do you think by 2023 ACO may decide to completely nix the Pro version of whatever GT class there will be? That would make the grid very "prototype-heavy". I'd rather facilitate the expansion of Hypercar completely at the expense of LMP2. Frankly, it'd be great if LMDh or perhaps some customer-friendly non-hybrid LMH cars completely took over the P2 marketplace. And then a Pro-Am subclass can be established within Hypercar, like ACO did for 2021 in LMP2.

Ferrari333SP · 16 Dec 2020, 04:04 (Ref:4023186)

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2020/1...d-to-lmdh.html

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2020/1...from-2023.html

Mal · 16 Dec 2020, 05:58 (Ref:4023187)

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Originally Posted by GT6

Well even more good news, but having both audi and porsche back makes me think that VAG group does not seem to be functioning as a group.

I think the opposite Simon ... Lmdh is the perfect formula for one car to be dressed up by two or more manufacturers from the same group. Yes they will look different and they will use different engines, but my bet is they will be based on the same chassis

GT6 · 16 Dec 2020, 07:28 (Ref:4023190)

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Originally Posted by Mal

I think the opposite Simon ... Lmdh is the perfect formula for one car to be dressed up by two or more manufacturers from the same group. Yes they will look different and they will use different engines, but my bet is they will be based on the same chassis

You could be right Mal, but I also wonder why with money tight in VAG group there seems to be no overall group position. But either way good news. Just had an email from the ACO they are very pleased with things but still no mention of ticket sales for 2021,

truebeliever · 16 Dec 2020, 07:54 (Ref:4023193)

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Originally Posted by Tique

Audi, Acura, Glikenhaus, Peugeot, Porsche and Toyota.
Have a nice christmas

And some of those will be available to privateers. Feel like we are in the late 80's

I would tend to think, ''any'' privateer cars from the OEM's, will be B SPEC, not exactly the same as the factory cars. Whether the regs allow this or not, that's IS how it will be.

truebeliever · 16 Dec 2020, 08:00 (Ref:4023194)

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Originally Posted by Mal

I think the opposite Simon ... Lmdh is the perfect formula for one car to be dressed up by two or more manufacturers from the same group. Yes they will look different and they will use different engines, but my bet is they will be based on the same chassis

The OEM's MUST use 1 of the 4 LMP2 constructors for the chassis and suspension for any LMDh.

That is what the regs say. But lets wait and see if there are ''technical amendments approved by both IMSA and the ACO, to benefit the OEM entries.

LMDH will very quickly become as LMP1 did, a spending formula. Where no privateer can compete with the factory teams. So please tell me where this is the wonderful ''new future of prototype racing? It's the same old with a new name, no more.

CTD · 16 Dec 2020, 08:07 (Ref:4023197)

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Originally Posted by truebeliever

The OEM's MUST use 1 of the 4 LMP2 constructors for the chassis and suspension for any LMDh.
That is what the regs say. But lets wait and see if there are ''technical amendments approved by both IMSA and the ACO, to benefit the OEM entries.
LMDH will very quickly become as LMP1 did, a spending formula. Where no privateer can compete with the factory teams. So please tell me where this is the wonderful ''new future of prototype racing? It's the same old with a new name, no more.

You do not really get the title of this thread do you?

The discussion you want to kick up is better suited in the future regulations thread, so please take it there.

Simmi · 16 Dec 2020, 08:26 (Ref:4023198)

I wonder whether ACO/IMSA would accept a fifth chassis constructor, maybe for 2024 projects and onwards? The last thing you'd want is for a new manufacturer to be dissuaded due to those guys all being at capacity. Especially if customer cars start ramping up. The increased need for spares etc.

It's a nice problem to have I guess.

**Bentley03** · 16 Dec 2020, 10:34 (Ref:4023213)

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Originally Posted by PascaLM

Wow. If Ferrari do such an announcement, let's hope they will, there could be at Le Mans 2023 five manufacturers representing at least 47 wins (9 + 19 + 13 + 3 + 3 so far). With Bentley or Jaguar it could be perfect. Why not ?
This thread is well named.

Don't worry Pascal, I'll be there...

**Bentley03** · 16 Dec 2020, 10:37 (Ref:4023214)

Just so good to see some momentum in the top class going forward, happy days are just around the corner.

tux · 16 Dec 2020, 11:21 (Ref:4023221)

Its looking pretty promising, right? Even im pleased and im a miserable person.

I dont follow these topics as closely as i used to, will somebody be able to say if any of the new manufacturers will sell customer cars?

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