Dutch 240z race car

[haman132]

i download it from a site
it was an article about all jap car day
maby you know

cant find it back for now,maby later

[kurtiejjj]

Sweet all the Datsuns! Absolutely stunning these contributions Haman132!

Interesting bit to read as well! It seems there was a lot of confusion around what group to enter the Sunny car in. Seems Antonides and a certain 'Kamikaas' both drove 'factory' supported Cherry Coupes! This must've been in 1978 then?

[haman132]

i'm not full awair of the whole history ,i only find articles in my old magazines
trying to help

this is from 1973

[haman132]

Originally Posted by ben240z

Who took the picture of the 240Z at the bottom of post number 8?
Have you got any more taken that day?
cheers Ben

found the link back to the pic

http://racer86.wordpress.com/2008/05...-05-08-part-1/

[haman132]

Evert Bolderheij 1977

[Frank de Jong]

Here's a nice 1973 picture of the Sunny which landed in Holland in 1974:
http://s271.photobucket.com/albums/j...090SSTT-08.jpg

[kurtiejjj]

Originally Posted by Frank de Jong

The Datsun showed up during the GP support race - as a surprise. It was a Sunny, but a newer model, with 4 doors (...) and a Janspeed decal.
Pictures are scarse so far - what I've got is on the website. Have you checked http://www.racehistorie.nl/ ?
And some more Dutch datsuns: http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/...NI/rni13.shtml

Hi, I did check racehistorie.nl, rather sadly I couldn't find any relevant photographs. And the second site you pointed at doesn't work anymore Frank, it's a site from a Groningen University student or something, perhaps he quit and now his site has been removed.

By the way the other contributions are absolutely marvelous! Brilliant additions to Datsun racing.

[Frank de Jong]

If you check the photobucket site and go to 1977/Silverstone WSC you'll find our Sunny once again.
The Groningen site works fine for me??

[kurtiejjj]

Ah, it works again I see! It must've had some downtime at the time I was looking at it. And you're right in 1977 the sunny (does it have bigger arches than a few years before?) was still here in Europe, must've gone to trinidad after that then.

btw Frank;on the 1973 TT photobucket site, have you noticed the Opel Manta? Seems to be dutch as well, on the spoiler it says: Hotel Zonne Noordwijk.

[Frank de Jong]

Yes, I know the Manta, it was shared between owner Franz Heine and dutchman Gerrit de Vries.
The Sunny was a surprise to me; I knew there was a Sunny, but not that it was the one which appeared in the Netherlands in 1977 (see post #10).
It looks like it was not really updated after 1975.

[kurtiejjj]

Indeed the sunny looks not very much updated since 1975, but for some reason it seems to have wider arches.

By the way scroll down a bit on this page and see Martin Pearson's Datsun: http://forums.autosport.com/showthre...=&pagenumber=2

And another one from a post of the other forum: http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pearsongp2.jpg

[haman132]

enjoy

[ben240z]

Han Tjan, I believe a young Keith odor, Jan, I think a young Norman Clancy, any other names to faces or hair styles

[haman132]

1975?



1977

[Frank de Jong]

The first one is 1975 indeed - the ETCC round at Zandvoort.

[z-spec]

Indeed Rob Janssen with codriver Jaap Dik did drive the Tap rally and also probably also the Acropolis rally with the same car , this became later a racing car .
I have spoken with Jaap Dik , but does any body know where to find Rob Janssen , is he still around ?

[ben240z]

If Rob is found then I would love to contact him re my car and any memories he has of it.
Did Jaap Dik drive the car that became the circuit car as well? or was this another car

[haman132]

I think the Rob Jansen cars where all left hand drive one's

[ben240z]

Originally Posted by haman132

I think the Rob Jansen cars where all left hand drive one's

Mine was a left hand drive to start with. It was converted to right hand drive in the mid 70's for reasons that I am not sure of at this time. There are certain things on the car which tie it in to definately being the same car that Rob was campaigning and also the same car that Han Tjan was campaigning. What I am struggling to find out is apart from Rob and Han Tjan, who else drove the car and where

[z-spec]

Originally Posted by ben240z

Mine was a left hand drive to start with. It was converted to right hand drive in the mid 70's for reasons that I am not sure of at this time. There are certain things on the car which tie it in to definately being the same car that Rob was campaigning and also the same car that Han Tjan was campaigning. What I am struggling to find out is apart from Rob and Han Tjan, who else drove the car and where

The car Nr 30 on the picture is the car what crashed in the 1971 TAP rally
I still own the glassfibre lefthand door skin with the nr 30 on .
this car has probably been coverted to a circuit car .
Jaap Dik was never driving himself , he only was a co driver .

[PZR]

Originally Posted by ben240z

Mine was a left hand drive to start with. It was converted to right hand drive in the mid 70's for reasons that I am not sure of at this time. There are certain things on the car which tie it in to definately being the same car that Rob was campaigning and also the same car that Han Tjan was campaigning. What I am struggling to find out is apart from Rob and Han Tjan, who else drove the car and where

Ben,
Please don't get your hopes up. The car that z-spec is talking about was a much earlier build-date car than yours, so they are two quite different cars for sure.

We know the original identity of the car in the bottom picture on post #28, and it's not the same as yours.

Still some loose ends to be tied up though.......

Interesting, isn't it?

[z-spec]

Originally Posted by PZR

Ben,
Please don't get your hopes up. The car that z-spec is talking about was a much earlier build-date car than yours, so they are two quite different cars for sure.

We know the original identity of the car in the bottom picture on post #28, and it's not the same as yours.

Still some loose ends to be tied up though.......

Interesting, isn't it?

PZR , free translated the dutch article in #28 says that Rob Janssen build a circuit car from the crashed TAP rallycar for Hans Ernst ( he is at the moment chairman CEO from circuit Zandvoort) , that is the car at the bottem of the post ( lhd ) , also the article sas Rob Janssen was building a new car in the same time .
So PRZ , I think we know till 73 / 74 where this second rallycar is left ,
I wil speak later on this week with Hans Ernst , if he can tell me more about .

[Frank de Jong]

There sure were two 240 Z race cars in the Netherlands in 1973 (for Ernst and Janssen); there were massive problems with parts and reliability; only the last part of the season both cars were entered and raced.

[ben240z]

Originally Posted by PZR

Ben,
Please don't get your hopes up. The car that z-spec is talking about was a much earlier build-date car than yours, so they are two quite different cars for sure.

We know the original identity of the car in the bottom picture on post #28, and it's not the same as yours.

Still some loose ends to be tied up though.......

Interesting, isn't it?

Hi, I am not holding out any false hope at all. The car that I have can without doubt be identified as one that Rob was running on the circuits. From talking to various sources it is definately not the rally shell built into a circuit car. I do have photos of Rob with the car in the pits at I believe Zandvoort, and from them I can identify why there are 2 holes in the rear roof pillar on the car that I have. They match identically the location of the fuel tank breather pipe in the photo.
I took the car to Zandvoort in 2000 to a Z meeting and Han Tjan was good enough to come over to see the car there.
I am interested in any information or lead on the history of the car and what Rob and subsequent drivers achieved with it.
Cheers Ben

[Marcius]

Originally Posted by z-spec

The car Nr 30 on the picture is the car what crashed in the 1971 TAP rally
I still own the glassfibre lefthand door skin with the nr 30 on .
this car has probably been coverted to a circuit car .
Jaap Dik was never driving himself , he only was a co driver .

In the article posted by haman132 (no 28) you can read about the crash on the TAP-rally.
In those days the cars weren't equipped with a full roll-cage but just a rollbar over your head.
Because of the crash the front window shattered but nevertheless Rob decided to drive the car home (back to Holland) without a front window. After just a few miles the rear window blew out because of the built up pressure in the car. With the help of some skiing goggles he drove all the way from Portugal to Holland.