What's the vanished manufacturer would you like to see reborn? - Page 2

1969MGCGTdriver · 25 Sep 2009, 17:45 (Ref:2548116)

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Originally Posted by KA

I thought they did as well- from memory, during their ownership of Rover there was some talk of BMW reviving the Riley and Autin Healey names?

BMW has the rights to Austin but not Healey. The Healey name rights still belong to the family.

Francesco · 29 Sep 2009, 22:25 (Ref:2550862)

-Shadow / UOP liveried, LMP GT1 Chevy engine

-Lister / Newcastle livery LMP GT2 Jag engine

-OSCA / small GT4ish car

i bet Stirling Moss would become mad

**skycafe** · 29 Sep 2009, 23:20 (Ref:2550890)

OSCA

JHamilton · 30 Sep 2009, 14:22 (Ref:2551247)

Well, Panoz will be gone after this year, so I say Panoz.

Dario911 · 30 Sep 2009, 15:05 (Ref:2551281)

I have written an e-mail to mr. Henri Pescarolo, asking him if it would be possible to join with Matra MS, in 2011, to build a new LMP1 with hybrid technology.
Matra designes and developes electric vehicles, so they've got several years experience in this field. Pescarolo is the personification of Matra epopea, so it would be interesting this kind of operation.
Matra is a branch of french Lagardère Group, involved in aerospace and defense technology, telecommunications and many other high technology fields.
They could help Pescarolo/Sora to design a new P1, to face Audi and peugeot with an innovative technology.
This may bring to Pescarolo and matra a lot of interest from media and sponsors, giving to Pescarolo Sport a chance to challenge manufacturers, because Matra may help Henri's team with new capitals injection.
Is this fanta-endurance?
Maybe, but I'm a dreamer!
If you agree with me, send a message to Pescarolo.
Life is too short, you have to try!

Belatti · 9 Oct 2009, 04:17 (Ref:2557218)

I would like to see the Liebre II - Tornado:

A modified street car that had basically standard elements, a 6 cilinder 4 liter engine and in 1967 was 4 seconds off Jean Pierre Beltoises Matra in the Buenos Aires track.

BTW, the men in charge of that project were Oreste Berta and Heriberto Pronello.

Belatti · 9 Oct 2009, 04:23 (Ref:2557220)

And also the Berta LR - Cosworth:

http://www.porsche917.com.ar/bertalr/

Another exploit of a bunch of intelligent and bright people vs. big budgeted teams in the 60s / 70s

isynge · 9 Oct 2009, 06:52 (Ref:2557268)

Seeing the footage of the De Ferran Acura running at Laguna Seca with the big grumbling Chapparals makes a compelling case for seeing them back.

A lovely outfit that continually looked to innovate their way into success.

fieldodreams79 · 9 Oct 2009, 11:59 (Ref:2557429)

i'd also love to see the Chaparalls back but Jim Hall left for his reasons and i don't believe that any of his thoughts have changed. would be awesome, tho.

Panoz LMPs or some other front American engined prototype

Jag/Lister LMP
the Cadilac LMPs were slick as well
I like the old Shadows as well
KUDZU!

bring 'em all back!

Tim the Grey · 10 Oct 2009, 18:44 (Ref:2558299)

Are Kudzu the guys who built a 2 stroke V12 out of Snowmobiles? Yeah, that would be cool...

Gingers4Justice · 10 Oct 2009, 20:53 (Ref:2558376)

I'm surprised at some of the names being thrown around. A modern day Mirage or Matra would only have the badge in common with the 70s company. They most likely wouldn't race in the right livery because of sponsorship. It would just be Matra by name and not nature.

Manufactures are different in that the rivalries between them are very special, memorable and each manufacture always has very different characteristics. I'd love to see a straight fight between a manufacture from Britain, the US, Japan, Germany, France and Italy (like its going to happen!).

It would be fantastic to see Aston Martin, Corvette, Mazda, Renault, Porsche and Ferrari/Alfa Romeo/Maserati (either of those three!) racing against one another. But it won't happen.

If I had to chose three of those, I'd love an AM, Corvette and Renault dog fight for overall victory.

isynge · 10 Oct 2009, 22:26 (Ref:2558456)

Absolutely Ginger - it's all pie in the sky - but it doesn't do any harm to muse idly does it?

**skycafe** · 10 Oct 2009, 22:32 (Ref:2558464)

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Originally Posted by Tim the Grey

Are Kudzu the guys who built a 2 stroke V12 out of Snowmobiles? Yeah, that would be cool...

No, but they were certainly in the ball park with noise potential!

Kudzu: Jim Downing, Downing Atalanta. Mazda Rotary, three and four rotor during run. GTP Lights and then WSC. Some had Buick V6.

Gingers4Justice · 10 Oct 2009, 23:16 (Ref:2558532)

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Originally Posted by isynge

Absolutely Ginger - it's all pie in the sky - but it doesn't do any harm to muse idly does it?

Not in the slightest, but that was me saying "although I'm only 15 I'd be more fustrated than thrilled to see a re-badged LMP racing as a Matra".

Besides, I muse idly on this forum way, way too often

.

Gingers4Justice · 10 Oct 2009, 23:19 (Ref:2558536)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

No, but they were certainly in the ball park with noise potential!

Kudzu: Jim Downing, Downing Atalanta. Mazda Rotary, three and four rotor during run. GTP Lights and then WSC. Some had Buick V6.

Is this the car I'm thinking of? One of 3 entries in LMP2 along with the two WRs?

Don't shoot me if I got that wrong, I was 2 at the time. The class system at that time seemed in a bit of a muddle.

**skycafe** · 10 Oct 2009, 23:20 (Ref:2558537)

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Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

Is this the car I'm thinking of? One of 3 entries in LMP2 along with the two WRs?

Don't shoot me if I got that wrong, I was 2 at the time. The class system at that time seemed in a bit of a muddle.

Yes, correct

Nick6 · 11 Oct 2009, 00:13 (Ref:2558593)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

Is this the car I'm thinking of? One of 3 entries in LMP2 along with the two WRs?

Don't shoot me if I got that wrong, I was 2 at the time. The class system at that time seemed in a bit of a muddle.

Well it was LMP650 at the time, and in theory they had a chance at winning overall.

Gingers4Justice · 11 Oct 2009, 00:14 (Ref:2558594)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

Yes, correct

Woop woop

one final clarification, was it not driven by Yijoro Terada?

**skycafe** · 11 Oct 2009, 00:20 (Ref:2558599)

Yes, and Terada ran at Daytona with Kudzu also.

fieldodreams79 · 11 Oct 2009, 00:20 (Ref:2558601)

got to see Jim Downing run a Kudzu-Mazda (DLY?) at the Mitty/RoadATL a couple years ago and it is the loudest thing i have ever heard. good looking too.

very cool cars and Jim is based out of ATL, so i'm a bit biased.

Mulsanne Mike's, Downing/Kudzu archieve

**skycafe** · 11 Oct 2009, 00:28 (Ref:2558608)

I think Dennis Spencer owns now?
Downing and staff were super nice people when I dropped in years ago.

isynge · 11 Oct 2009, 00:34 (Ref:2558611)

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Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

Not in the slightest, but that was me saying "although I'm only 15 I'd be more fustrated than thrilled to see a re-badged LMP racing as a Matra".

Besides, I muse idly on this forum way, way too often

.

From my personal perspective I guess the resurrection of BRM (and Allard to a lesser extent) probably show exactly what you're talking about, It's not the same team, and it's not the same spirit - even if BRM did try to make a clear linkage to what went before.

To whit, idly leafing through a Motor Sport from 1991, which featured extensively both BRM and March's sportscar plans, that there was a comment that "1992 seems set to be a classic year in sportscar racing" - which might qualify as most miguided statement of the year!

fieldodreams79 · 11 Oct 2009, 01:07 (Ref:2558627)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

I think Dennis Spencer owns now?
Downing and staff were super nice people when I dropped in years ago.

i thought Jim was behind the wheel when i saw the Kudzu last year, but looks like it was Scott Spencer, according to the archives. i guess there is a relation there?

Kudzu Pic at the Mitty historics races, with a Mazda powered R&S close behind.

MJ_N_09 · 11 Oct 2009, 02:17 (Ref:2558666)

Earlier I said TVR, But I'd rather see Venturi or Lister back in racing.

jimclark · 12 Oct 2009, 01:47 (Ref:2559384)

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Originally Posted by Jonerz

GM.

Chris

Elaborate....GM is still racin' all over the place...won Le Mans this year...je ne comprende pas....

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