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Wec rankings after 2 rds;
1. Toyota 2. Ferrari 3. Porsche/Cadillac 5. Peugeot 6. Glickenhaus 7. Vanwall I dont think theres much between the Porsche and the Caddy. I think thats going to be a closer battle at Spa with another Cadillac racing. I also think Vanwall will make strides and be better than Glickenhaus. Hopefully Jim keeps going and does more work on the car. |
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Let's give it time! I remember the Toyota looking a handful and difficult in 2021 and not having competition is what saved them. Even last year they had issues with the hybrid motor forcing them to stop on track - but they had time to further develop and now have a well sorted car that they fully understand
I am glad this BOP is used to allow cars to reach their ultimate performance potential rather than artificially bunching the field together - it is still onto the teams to deliver if they want to win Ranking: Toyota Ferrari/Acura Cadillac(still think without the tire issues they would have challenged porsche at the end) Porsche(slow in Long Beach but strategy and the usual WTR brain fart saved them) BMW/Peugeot Glickenhaus Oreca 07 Corvette c8-r/ Porsche 911 gt3 rsr/ Ferrari 488 Steel Brakes Vanwall |
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I am going to rank in a new way.. The best looking cars. The cars along with the liveries we have seen are all factors. That is one thing that dings Toyota even though I like the car. The livery of Toyota Gazoo racing is so bland.
1. Cadillac (looks like the Corvette DP styling. All 3 colors are great too) 2. Ferrari 3. Peugeot (looks most like a GT car) 4. Toyota (I have grown into it after not liking it at first, livery still stinks) 5. Vanwall 6. bmw 7. glickenhaus 8. Porsche (too LMPish looking and generic. Penske livery sucks) 9. Acura (hate it, looks like a generic lmp car more than any other. The NSX Gt3 car looks good. Why can't they make their protos look good) |
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Update after Long Beach and Spa…
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Not a subjective ranking, just the WEC Manufacturers points table after Spa:
Toyota 90 Ferrari 57 Porsche 42 Cadillac 40 Peugeot 19 Glickenhaus 12 Vanwall 6 |
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Looks like the adding up pretty much reflects the current state of play.
My subjective post Spa. 1. Toyota (no move) Still the top and again I feel the gap is a little less now. No reliability issues this time. Going into the big one with confidence and the clear favorites. 2. Acura (no move) No race. Would love to see their pace in WEC. 3. Ferrari (no move) The pace is pretty much there. The inability to warm up the tyres almost made them drop on this list! I need to look at the relative performance of the drivers. Nothing is jumping out, but are they all as strong as each other. At the last race I got the impression Ferrari was using more energy for its pace relative to Toyota. Is his true. Difficult to tell at Spa as I was distracted by the tyres. 4. Caddilac (up 1) Best thing about the race,Van der Zande walking away unscathed. I hope the crash doesn’t set them back. I am still loving how drivable it looks. 5. Porsche (down 1) OK. A 4th. Fine. Reliability a concern, with Porsche! As Aysedasi points out, not even Porsche can expect instant success in this new world. 6. BMW (no change) Could be above Porsche? 7. Peugeot (no change) Better than Sebring. Better than Portimao. But still 7th. 8. Glickenhaus (no change) At one point they’d played it well and were quite high up, but others recovered. 9.Vanwall (no change) Villeneuve still grabbing all the (bad) luck there. |
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Looking at lap times (not just the fastest) the order from Spa looks like.
There is no real reason I chose 30th best lap, other than it kind of shows the gaps in the chart well. The best performing car from the race was chosen for the chart and table. For me the power rankings aren't just lap times, but this is interesting. Last edited by Adam43; 1 May 2023 at 00:25. |
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Back to Sebring. A combined table for IMSA and WEC would look like this:
Average Lap time
W is WEC and I is IMSA. Then the car number. Last edited by Adam43; 12 May 2023 at 01:29. Reason: Table format |
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I think it would be interesting for an all green race, that way we can see if any of the hypercars actually have an advantage. Yes BMW is catching up, but without cautions will they be near the front?
I know caution free is rare for IMSA, but the P3's aren't here so..... |
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Coming up,... the latest rankings post Laguna Seca.
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That’s a difficult one!
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I'm guessing the power rankings post Laguna are actually just pit strategy rankings.....
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Speedy Table
To try and help with the rankings, but not the be all and end all here is a look at lap times.
This can be considered the relative pace of the the cars to the fastest at the most recent IMSA and WEC race.
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My Post Laguna Seca power rankings
Ranking, manufacturer, movement since Spa, relative pace of last IMSA/WEC race combined (see above) 1. Toyota (no move) 100.21% No race, no challenge. 2. Ferrari (up 1) 100.00% No race and up one! Madness?! Well, the reason they remained third after Spa was the race craft, the preparation and the running in different conditions. The Achilles heel of cold tyres has just been removed by allowing tyre warmers at Le Mans. They get a boost for that. I still think that overall Toyota have the race nous and experience to win out. Less so the speed. In theory Ferrari has the pace. In theory. 3. Caddilac (up 1) 100.88% They won and deserved it in Laguna Seca. Made it count. Overcame their recent set backs from crashes. Looks a nice car to drive generally (although did see a lock up in the heat of battle). But 3rd, 4th and 5th in this ranking are super close. 4. Porsche (up 1) 101.28% An IMSA win followed by very strong practice and qualifying. And then lock-up! Difficult under braking, maybe? And then under pressure a crash. Still some nice early showings from two privateer teams that went straight in at the deep end. 5. Acura (down 3) 101.34% Super close 3rd - 5th, so a little unlucky here. Had pace at moments at Laguna Seca, but didn't get it to stick. 6. BMW (no change) 101.45% Just behind the other three. Occasionally got amongst them (it is all very close) 7. Peugeot (no change) 101.70% No race, but the Peugeot thread shows everyone is concerned. 8. Glickenhaus (no change) 102.50% Continue to get stronger after Sebring, but not quick enough to challenge the factory produced machines. 9.Vanwall (no change) 104.01% Vanwall. Villeneuve. Non vicisse. |
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17 May 2023, 18:38 (Ref:4156622) | #42 | |
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Post Laguna and Spa. I'll do next one mid July.
1. Toyota 2. Cadillac 3. Ferrari 4. Porsche 5. Acura 6. BMW 7. Peugeot 8. Vanwall 9. Glickenhaus |
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17 May 2023, 23:09 (Ref:4156649) | #43 | ||
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Cadillac in second. They weren’t having the best of rims coming into the race. And then what do you know they went and won it.
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It looks very driveable and can benefit from instant torque, which is perfect for the tight IMSA tracks.
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I am digging the Caddy VSR so far. The Caddy DPI sound great. The looks were meh. The Caddy VSR however looks like a hypercarish Corvette DP. Still has that great GM grunt sound to it.
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Apart from the brake by wire that everyone seems to still be getting to grips varying degrees it looks like it hangles really well. Nice and controllable. A joy to watch when the drivers start leaning on it.
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Hot takes? None really. Wam takes? Maybe some.
Firstly, all these should be considered in the context of the scale. These are all close, especially the big factory teams. Vanwall haven’t matched their Sebring pace. Whereas Glickenhaus have made he biggest gains after a terrible Sebring. They hadn’t tested for ages beforehand, but maybe there is also a change as to the type of circuit that suited each car. Peugeot they are where they are. BMW have had their moments, every now and again in a race, but that isn’t really showing here. I think that realistically shows where they are. Acura have dropped away after their strong start (Daytona also isn’t included here). Porsche dropped away after finding some pace on the Long Beach weekend. And then Ferrari. We got a hint with that pole in Sebring, but it took them three races to get to the top. However, in that race they might have the fast consistency, but it was ruined by the awful tyre warming - at the other end of the fast lap spectrum they were nowhere. |
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Hey, guys... Been over on YouTube and saw a video doing a comparison of the racers. Right now it's about the cars in IMSA, more based on the overall looks of each one. There is to be another based on WEC entries coming soon.
If performance info will be used later in another video, then we could say that our thread may have been an impetus for it. Check it out for yourself. |
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I’ve tried to find it. Failed.
There are some videos on racer. Tech and sounds of each one. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL...44ZfoyDHTmlke2 Pretty old now, but not bad. |
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