[Driver] 2018 F1 team mate battles

[gert]

Originally Posted by chunterer

Ericsson there at all😲

My thoughts exactly. After all he only took part in 5 of the 58 laps, hence missed more than 91% of the race.

Originally Posted by F1Guy

F1's top ten driver rankings post Australia. Vettel rated in last place. Could not agree more. Most overrated driver on the grid.

Next quote is quite appropriate in both cases

Originally Posted by Skam85

Don't let sensibility get in the way of bias!

[S griffin]

Don’t know how Ericsson got into the top ten

[F1Guy]

Team mate battle results for qualifying after round two.


Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton - 1
Mercedes: Valtteri Bottas - 1

Ferrari: Sebastian Vettel - 1
Ferrari: Kimi Raikkonen - 1

Red Bull: Daniel Ricciardo - 1
Red Bull: Max Verstappen - 1

Force India: Sergio Perez - 1
Force India: Esteban Ocon - 1

Williams: Lance Stroll - 1
Williams: Sergey Sirotkin - 1

Renault: Nico Hulkenberg - 2
Renault: Carlos Sainz Jnr - 0

Toro Rosso: Pierre Gasly - 1
Toro Rosso: Brendon Hartley - 1

Haas: Romain Grosjean - 0
Haas: Kevin Magnussen - 2

McLaren: Fernando Alonso - 2
McLaren: Stoffel Vandoorne - 0

Sauber: Marcus Ericsson - 2
Sauber: Charles Leclerc - 0


Most team mates are now one all - except for Hulkenberg, Magnussen, Alonso and Ericsson who have beaten their team mate again.

[Adam43]

Six are 1-1 and four are 2-0. Nothing yet to hint at anything other than random.

It won’t end up like that...

[Skam85]

Poor squashed Ericsson..

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

F1's top ten driver rankings post Australia. Vettel rated in last place. Could not agree more. Most overrated driver on the grid.


https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/f...australia.html

Not a bad effort from the world’s most overrated driver.

[RWill2073]

Originally Posted by Skam85

Not a bad effort from the world’s most overrated driver.

There are quite a few takes not aging well right now.

[Skam85]

Team mate battle results for the race after round two.

Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton - 1
Mercedes: Valtteri Bottas - 1

Ferrari: Sebastian Vettel - 2
Ferrari: Kimi Raikkonen - 0

Red Bull: Daniel Ricciardo - 1
Red Bull: Max Verstappen - 0

Force India: Sergio Perez - 1
Force India: Esteban Ocon - 1

Williams: Lance Stroll - 2
Williams: Sergey Sirotkin - 0

Renault: Nico Hulkenberg - 2
Renault: Carlos Sainz Jnr - 0

Toro Rosso: Pierre Gasly - 1
Toro Rosso: Brendon Hartley - 1

Haas: Romain Grosjean - 0
Haas: Kevin Magnussen - 1

McLaren: Fernando Alonso - 2
McLaren: Stoffel Vandoorne - 0

Sauber: Marcus Ericsson - 1
Sauber: Charles Leclerc - 1

Both Haas' DNF in Oz render a 0-0 draw, as does RBR this week.

After being outqualified by Bottas, and aside from one very good overtake, where will an underwhelming Hamilton sit in the F1 Power Rankings?

Ocon did well against Perez, needs to continue this trend to get Merc's long-term attention. On the right track.

Hulk again had the measure of Sainz - thought Carlos would be closer but only very early stages of the season.

Gasly pantsed Hartley. Vettel and Bourdais style. The star of the weekend.

KMag looks to be in a very good space and is finally showing what he's made of. Grosjean having one of those off weekends he has from time to time.

Alonso taking care of Stoffel, but Stoff showing he is a very solid peddler.

Ericsson took care of Leclerc, who made a costly mistake in quali but redeemed himself with a solid drive. Excellent showing by Ericsson to get into the points and finish ahead of plenty.

Max looking ragged on track at the moment, while Dan is looking a tad frustrated off track. He would have been right in the podium fight had he finished the race, shame.

[marcel82]

Alonso did get just a bit lucky to beat Stoffel in qualifying this time around.
Q1 he ended up 15th with exactly the same time as Grosjean in 16th, whose lap came later and with an error. If Grosjean was someone else, Alonso wouldn't have made it through.

[F1Guy]

Isn't it funny how just a couple of weeks ago people were questioning why Ericsson was even in the top ten ranked drivers of the Australian GP. Now some even voting for him as the driver of the day!!

[S griffin]

Ericsson has talent, he just hasn’t always shown it

[Skam85]

I’ve always believed in Marcus

[RWill2073]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

Isn't it funny how just a couple of weeks ago people were questioning why Ericsson was even in the top ten ranked drivers of the Australian GP. Now some even voting for him as the driver of the day!!

Uhh.. Ermmm... What?

Originally Posted by F1Guy

My choices...

Lewis Hamilton. Bottas will never be able to take it to Hamilton. As much as he likes to think he can.
Sebastian Vettel. Ferrari's number one driver so it's a given.
Max Verstappen. Red Bull have openly stated they are backing Verstappen for the title.
Sergio Perez. Ocon is the better driver IMO, but I think Perez's experience will see him finish in front. Just.
Lance Stroll. Think he might surprise us. Lance FTW!
Carlos Sainz Jnr. Sainz is a better driver and a better racer IMO than Hulkberger. It'll be close though.
Brendon Hartley. Another close finish, but Hartley should have it over his team mate.
Romain Grosjean. Frenchie should have it over Dutchie. Another close battle though.
Fernando Alonso. McLaren will do whatever to keep him happy. Even if it means asking Vandoorne to move over.
Charles Leclerc. Simply because I don't think Ericsson should even be on the grid. Hope Leclerc annihilates him!

I'm so confused....

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by RWill2073

Uhh.. Ermmm... What?



I'm so confused....

It's all that rotating - it gets you confused over what point your trying to make.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

Isn't it funny how just a couple of weeks ago people were questioning why Ericsson was even in the top ten ranked drivers of the Australian GP. Now some even voting for him as the driver of the day!!

A few weeks ago you said he had no place in F1.

Everybody actually in the paddock knows he has good talent.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Everybody actually in the paddock knows he has good talent.

It just he only shows it on rare occasions.

[F1Guy]

Originally Posted by RWill2073

I'm so confused....

Originally Posted by peebee2

A few weeks ago you said he had no place in F1.

Just for you confused people, I was referring to posts #25 and #27 of this thread (and also elsewhere) where people were questioning why Ericsson was even in the top ten rated drivers from the Australian GP. Even though he did only a few laps at the Aus GP, he drove well enough in those few laps to earn a spot in the top ten ranked drivers (9th), ahead of Vettel in 10th.

But don't worry, I haven't changed my mind on Ericsson just because of his 9th place finish in Bahrain (). I'm not a fan of Ericsson. I still firmly believe he's spot on the grid is unworthy, and it is only because of his links with the Swedish owners of Sauber that he is still on the grid. He should've been dumped end of 2016. End of 2017 definitely. It has been what.. almost 50 GP's since he scored a point? The 2015 Italian GP was his last venture into the points if I'm not mistaken. Not good enough. In my opinion.

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

Just for you confused people, I was referring to posts #25 and #27 of this thread (and also elsewhere) where people were questioning why Ericsson was even in the top ten rated drivers from the Australian GP. Even though he did only a few laps at the Aus GP, he drove well enough in those few laps to earn a spot in the top ten ranked drivers (9th), ahead of Vettel in 10th.

But don't worry, I haven't changed my mind on Ericsson just because of his 9th place finish in Bahrain (). I'm not a fan of Ericsson. I still firmly believe he's spot on the grid is unworthy, and it is only because of his links with the Swedish owners of Sauber that he is still on the grid. He should've been dumped end of 2016. End of 2017 definitely. It has been what.. almost 50 GP's since he scored a point? The 2015 Italian GP was his last venture into the points if I'm not mistaken. Not good enough. In my opinion.

I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying here, but apart from the drivers at the front end, I think it's fair to say that few of the drivers are where they are purely due to their driving talent. The teams nearer the back of the grid have a different agenda, mostly financial (a case in point being the once great Williams GP). If Ericsson is popular with the sponsors (for example) he could be good for their promotions, and therefore be earning the team lots of money, money that the team needs to be there in the first place.

[Skam85]

He also performed well enough against his teammates in 2016/17 to indicate to the bigger teams that Nasr and Wehrlein weren't good enough for better drives.

[F1Guy]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

Just for you confused people, I was referring to posts #25 and #27 of this thread

That should be #24 and #27.

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying here, but apart from the drivers at the front end, I think it's fair to say that few of the drivers are where they are purely due to their driving talent. The teams nearer the back of the grid have a different agenda, mostly financial (a case in point being the once great Williams GP). If Ericsson is popular with the sponsors (for example) he could be good for their promotions, and therefore be earning the team lots of money, money that the team needs to be there in the first place.

True Viva GT. Many say Ericsson is the male version of Carmen Jorda. Not much driving talent, but only there because of his good looks and the money he brings through promotions/sponsors. And as you said, this money helps the team's decision to keep him much easier.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

Just for you confused people, I was referring to posts #25 and #27 of this thread (and also elsewhere) where people were questioning why Ericsson was even in the top ten rated drivers from the Australian GP. Even though he did only a few laps at the Aus GP, he drove well enough in those few laps to earn a spot in the top ten ranked drivers (9th), ahead of Vettel in 10th.

But don't worry, I haven't changed my mind on Ericsson just because of his 9th place finish in Bahrain (). I'm not a fan of Ericsson. I still firmly believe he's spot on the grid is unworthy, and it is only because of his links with the Swedish owners of Sauber that he is still on the grid. He should've been dumped end of 2016. End of 2017 definitely. It has been what.. almost 50 GP's since he scored a point? The 2015 Italian GP was his last venture into the points if I'm not mistaken. Not good enough. In my opinion.

But you also said you agreed with the Top Ten list - which placed Ericsson in 9th.

So you don't think he deserves to be on the grid - but is in the top ten of drivers?

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

. Many say Ericsson is the male version of Carmen Jorda.

Have literally never heard that comparison.

[S griffin]

You mean Ericsson who has won a FBMW UK championship, British F3 races, the Japanese F3 title and GP2 races. The male version of Carmen Jorda? Leave it out!

[cds_uk]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

Many say Ericsson is the male version of Carmen Jorda.

Whilst i appreciate we are all entitled to our own opinion on drivers and that we all have our favourites and those that we just don't rate for one reason or another, that really is complete nonsense mate.

[Bezzen]

So I created a little comparison.

https://www.driverdb.com/head-to-hea...rcus-ericsson/