How to get started in Rallycross. (If you've seen it on Top Gear and are interested!)

[StockHatch782]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

Rallycross is classed as a speed event rather than racing - in theory you're racing against the clock. The winner of the event is the person with the quickest time in the final.

But isn't that also true of any racing? If you finish first, you've set the quickest time by default!

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by StockHatch782

But isn't that also true of any racing? If you finish first, you've set the quickest time by default!

It's works differently in the heats though - the points given are spread across the heats - so you might win your heat but still only be 8th quickest from a given set of heats. So if there are 3 heats of 6 cars in theory it's possible for the fastest 6 times to come from the same heat and the winner of one heat may have set the 13th quickest time overall. The finals are a different kettle of fish as you point out - first to the flag wins.

[StockHatch782]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

It's works differently in the heats though - the points given are spread across the heats - so you might win your heat but still only be 8th quickest from a given set of heats. So if there are 3 heats of 6 cars in theory it's possible for the fastest 6 times to come from the same heat and the winner of one heat may have set the 13th quickest time overall. The finals are a different kettle of fish as you point out - first to the flag wins.

Rather than working all that out I generally just wait until the sheet is displayed telling me which final I'm in! I think my maths teacher has a lot to answer for (although interestingly(?) my I.T. teacher was a certain Roy Gravestock, whose name is on the list of previous stock hatch champions).

I only raised the rather pernickety point because you were talking about the finals and I don't like to see you making yourself look silly, Bert...! But now you've redeemed yourself and are, in fact, correct. So well done.

[StockHatch782]

And to anyone thinking about getting into rallycross: don't worry about all this slightly sad mathematical to-ing and fro-ing between myself and Bert, the main thing is that you don't need a race licence and that's good because it saves you money. Just have a go and find out where you qualify!

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by StockHatch782

I don't like to see you making yourself look silly, Bert...!

I'm rather good at it though

Hopefully there were plenty of first timers at Lydden today and some of them will dip a toe into the water.

[deanohadd]

hi guys i new to the site and would love to get into rallycross could anyone give me any info or tips,
iv got a seat ibiza 2.0 8v that i could use its running about 160bhp could i use this or would i be best of getting sumthing like a saxo vtr?
also im from bristol is there any tracks near me?
thanks
deano

[AlamakiRX]

Originally Posted by deanohadd

hi guys i new to the site and would love to get into rallycross could anyone give me any info or tips,
iv got a seat ibiza 2.0 8v that i could use its running about 160bhp could i use this or would i be best of getting sumthing like a saxo vtr?
also im from bristol is there any tracks near me?
thanks
deano

e mail me at:
jrrallyx726@yahoo.co.uk

Got various cars for sale, VTS's Saxo's some new builds, to top spec.
Closest track to Bristol, is Pembrey in South Wales

The car you want and race depends on what class you want to race in and budget??

[the timster]

hello!! im currently running a g4 ish 2.2 mk2 escort in single venue stage rallying.. i have always loved the format and mixed surfaces etc... my big question is could i run my rally car and if so what class would it be how many sets of tyres do you us in a year etc ?? im doing a set an event near enough at rallying it just getting too expensive..

any help is greatly received!!!!

[AlamakiRX]

Originally Posted by the timster

hello!! im currently running a g4 ish 2.2 mk2 escort in single venue stage rallying.. i have always loved the format and mixed surfaces etc... my big question is could i run my rally car and if so what class would it be how many sets of tyres do you us in a year etc ?? im doing a set an event near enough at rallying it just getting too expensive..

any help is greatly received!!!!

Your car would fit into Super National in the British Champs or Super Modified in BTRDA Champs.

Providing the engine has same number of cylinders as original and in same position as manufacturer made it.

I reckon 6 tyres per season 6/8 events, depending on how rough you are on tyres! Defo not 1 set per meeting. Generally only doing 20-30miles per meetings in total.

Hope that helps, check out some Rallycross websites for more info.

[the timster]

Originally Posted by AlamakiRX

Your car would fit into Super National in the British Champs or Super Modified in BTRDA Champs.

Providing the engine has same number of cylinders as original and in same position as manufacturer made it.

I reckon 6 tyres per season 6/8 events, depending on how rough you are on tyres! Defo not 1 set per meeting. Generally only doing 20-30miles per meetings in total.

Hope that helps, check out some Rallycross websites for more info.

Hi pal, thanks for the response... been looking at loads of websites all seem to give all info except what im after!!eg. mine is geared on limiter in top for about 95mph would i need change final drive? can you run with rads at front as i no the big boys have them in the rear stop them geting full of crud etc. do you run the dunlop cr311 s moulded slicks?

not got any budget really so just trying to weigh up my options!!

Once again thanks in advance!

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by the timster

Hi pal, thanks for the response... been looking at loads of websites all seem to give all info except what im after!!eg. mine is geared on limiter in top for about 95mph would i need change final drive? can you run with rads at front as i no the big boys have them in the rear stop them geting full of crud etc. do you run the dunlop cr311 s moulded slicks?

not got any budget really so just trying to weigh up my options!!

Once again thanks in advance!

My driver has run our Mk2 Escort in a few of the BTRDA rallycross events at Lydden, normally we do single venue tarmac events. We use the same tyres that we use when rallying (Kumho C03s) and you're looking at minimal wear really. We tend to use up "old" tyres for rallycross as it's just for fun. The only mods made to the car for rallycross are removal of the headlights (and put blanking plates in), put the fog light back on (you need a high viz light on the back), take out my seat and lift the suspension a bit. The Escort will do somewhere about 110 flat out (or at least it did on the old gearbox) and it's not hitting the limiter at Lydden. You'll probably get through a windscreen per event too if you're up somones chuff on the loose.

[martinwf]

As ive always been interested in motorsport, i used to service for my brother in the eighties, he was a clubmans rally driver.

Im interested in rallycross, i was thinking of getting a saxo , just a few questions,
i guess i can build the car to spec myself?
can i just turn up to any rallycross event and go?
is there a fee?

[AlamakiRX]

Originally Posted by martinwf

As ive always been interested in motorsport, i used to service for my brother in the eighties, he was a clubmans rally driver.

Im interested in rallycross, i was thinking of getting a saxo , just a few questions,
i guess i can build the car to spec myself?
can i just turn up to any rallycross event and go?
is there a fee?

PM'd

Still got a brand new build Citroen Saxo VTS 1600cc 16v for sale, new build, top spec.

PM for more info.

You could be racing at Knockhill

[Mark-e21]

Do suits have to be Nomex or is Proban allowed?

[general--lee]

hi found this thread seacrhin for top gear rallycross!!!
i have a mk3 astra gsi which i fancy racing looked at regs and it says in 1600 stoick hatch like hammond this is what it astates
5.5.1.a Stock Hatch cars are 2-wheel drive four seater
hatchbacks that must meet the definition of a series
production car since 1/1/95. For avoidance of doubt
this means any model/type that ceased production
before 31/12/94 is not permitted..

my shell is about a 92 but mk3 astra was mass produced up untill 97 so does that mean i can use it?

just fit a 1600cc engine instead of the 2.0 ?? theres no engine in it now ?

thanks in adance

[AlamakiRX]

Originally Posted by general--lee

hi found this thread seacrhin for top gear rallycross!!!
i have a mk3 astra gsi which i fancy racing looked at regs and it says in 1600 stoick hatch like hammond this is what it astates
5.5.1.a Stock Hatch cars are 2-wheel drive four seater
hatchbacks that must meet the definition of a series
production car since 1/1/95. For avoidance of doubt
this means any model/type that ceased production
before 31/12/94 is not permitted..

my shell is about a 92 but mk3 astra was mass produced up untill 97 so does that mean i can use it?

just fit a 1600cc engine instead of the 2.0 ?? theres no engine in it now ?

thanks in adance

Ref above:
For you car to race in stockhatch then it cannot have more than 2 valves per cylinder, therefore must be an 8v car. I assume the Astra is 16v therefore wont comply?

If they are 16v 1600 cc cars then they are Hot Hatch then the following applies:
5.5.1.c Hot Hatch
The cars permitted are:
Any Stock Hatch vehicle that must meet the definition
of a Series Production Car since 31 December 2001,
as defined in MSA Nomenclature and Definitions (2011
MSA Blue Book, Section B on page 62) and have more
than two valves per cylinder.
Competitors must be able to produce proof of the age
requirement for the make and model of vehicle.

The best class for you and your car would be the modified 2000cc class.

See BTRDA site for regs and info.

Have also PM'd

[bobster55]

According to btrda website, upto 1600cc with more than 2 valves per cylinder are permitted

[general--lee]

I can fit a 8v 1600 if needs be cant understand rules on if it can be carb or has to be injection as it was originally

[AlamakiRX]

Originally Posted by bobster55

According to btrda website, upto 1600cc with more than 2 valves per cylinder are permitted

Yes you can use a car that has more than 2 valves per cylinder as long as it was done by the manufacturer so normally a 1300/1400cc 16v car would be used such as a Lupo or Polo.

Stockhatch basically has 3 capacity splits within the one class:
16v car (Hot Hatch) which cannot be older than 10 years
8v car which cannot be older than 1995
New 1.5 td class
Car with more than 2 valves per cylinder can be used but only up to 1600cc and only if manufacturer made it this way.

Hot Hatch 1600cc 16v class in above and British Champs is for standard production cars no older than 10 years from when manufacturer ceased production of the that model.

[Hickey1]

Originally Posted by AlamakiRX

8v car which cannot be older than 1995

As you know, the '1995 rule' applies to the BTRDA Championship for this year (thanks). Hopefully, next year it will be removed when the BTRDA has its own championship again.

[Mrwillson]

Hi All,

I'm currently looking at getting into Rallycross. I've got quite a few question about lots of different things. Like should a beginner always start in StockHatch?
If so I'd be looking to buy a new car. Possibly 106 gti or Saxo Vtr. What can you recommend?

I currently drive a Cliosport 2L. Would it be worth converting this? Or would the 2L class be too expensive and too much for me to handle as a beginner?

I also have a lot of questions about getting the car to the events. Am I going to need to buy a van and a trailer? Could I use an A frame?

Any questions answered would be appreciated. Even a number for a contact of someone official or very knowledgable.

I'm a 20 year old Aircraft Mechanic living in Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk.

[AlamakiRX]

Mr Wilson

Ive PM'd you.

Speak soon

[mikey_d]

hi i am looking to get involved in the sport after knockhill today i have done lots of trackdays in evos etc also drifting in my old skyline...

and this looks mega fun i am wondering if there is a age limet on the car i am looking to buy a saxo vts and build it..

[rx-guru]

Originally Posted by mikey_d

hi i am looking to get involved in the sport after knockhill today i have done lots of trackdays in evos etc also drifting in my old skyline...

and this looks mega fun i am wondering if there is a age limet on the car i am looking to buy a saxo vts and build it..

See other thread.

[AlamakiRX]

All the below should help:

http://www.gomotorsport.net/en-GB/go...allycross.html

http://www.btrda.com/Rallycross

http://www.btrda.com/images/uploaded/75_7684557.pdf