Who do you think will get the second Ferrari seat next year

[calais]

look, ultimately the person who will choose the drver for the second seat is .....................schumacher.
he will weigh up who is slow enough not to give him any trouble,someone that does as he says, and who is best at shining his shoes!!!!!!!!

[Valve Bounce]

Just think about this in an illogical but mercenary way: If Ferrari can avoid JPM fighting with MSch, they would get the WCC plus 1 and 2 for the WDC, just like Williams did when Damon Hill won. They would have supreme control of the championship. No JPM at Williams to fight with. This is a cynical way to look at the big picture - and if MSch can't win it for Ferrari, then JPM will.
The old saying about leading a horse to water doesn't work; you make horse thirsty - he drink.

[Wrex]

David Coulthard
Mika Hakkinen
Jacques Villeneuve
Heinz Herald Frenzen
Jenson Button
Luca badoer

Originally posted by mariov
You are only alowed a maximum of 10 choices...I did not waist my time with filling it up with choices that dont make any sense....

How do you explain those names then?

I think Damon Hill and Alain Prost are more likely than these guys

[Valve Bounce]

I can't fault that, WREX

[DavyboyLT1]

Originally posted by Valve Bounce
Just think about this in an illogical but mercenary way: If Ferrari can avoid JPM fighting with MSch, they would get the WCC plus 1 and 2 for the WDC, just like Williams did when Damon Hill won. They would have supreme control of the championship. No JPM at Williams to fight with. This is a cynical way to look at the big picture - and if MSch can't win it for Ferrari, then JPM will.
The old saying about leading a horse to water doesn't work; you make horse thirsty - he drink.

JPM and Mikey as teammates!!!

Man, you're sadistic!

[Ralf's Girl]

I voted for Massa. I think Ferrari will want him alongside TGF to prime him for being their number one when TGF retires (that is, if he ever stops extending his contract ). So I'd say Massa will be TGF's number two next season, although he will probably have to get something in the way of results while he's at Sauber this year.

[mariov]

Originally posted by Wrex
David Coulthard
Mika Hakkinen
Jacques Villeneuve
Heinz Herald Frenzen
Jenson Button
Luca badoer

How do you explain those names then?

I think Damon Hill and Alain Prost are more likely than these guys

How do I explain those names, with common sense...since they are all free agents at the end of the season.

McLaren has the choice to counter any offer Mika gets, all the others are free agents...Fisi has a performance clause and Badoer because of the testing and the link he has with Ferrari, he wont get ther drive but for all the testing he did...to fill the 10 spots I included him in there.

Damon Hill and alain Prost

If you dont agree come up with your own list, and enlighten all of us.....

[mariov]

I did not include JPM in my list, because like I said Williams has an option for him next year and they will not let him go.....here is what Patrick Head had to say in a german interview:

"I reckon that Williams has the best driver line-up in comtemporary F1 and I would not swap RS and JPM for Micheal Schumacher if he was offered on a silver plater"

so in my opinion, JPM is going nowhere next year and certanly not towards williams biggest competion for the WDC

[mariov]

Interresting so far Massa and Barichello are almost tied.......but a lot of members read the thread but have not voted.....

[Jeanburrasca81]

I'm a little bit wondering about the many people voting for Massa. But that's just because I don't see any logic in that choice for now. But we are all people with ideals and visions... :-)

Best regards,

Julian

[Speedworx]

I voted for RB and the guy who i actually think will bet the seat isn't on the list (JPM)

Also, it would help if the name were spelt correctly.

[mariov]

Originally posted by hakkiman
I voted for RB and the guy who i actually think will bet the seat isn't on the list (JPM)

Also, it would help if the name were spelt correctly.

Typos do happend dont they "bet the seat"

I think everyone knows who the drivers that are listed are....and since you only have 10 minutes to edit...too bad could not be corrected...

[Speedworx]

Yep, we can all make typos.

Maybe Luciano Burti will get the seat.

Maybe Jos Verstappen will.

[ozrevhead]

mark webber

serously Rubbens Barrichello will stay with MS. Besides ferrari don't need a 2nd driver as MS gets preferentual treatment!

[Speedworx]

True.

[Splatz the Cow]

Oi, wanted to vote for Montoya, but he's not in the list. I completely agree with VB on this, JPM is the prime target here. If Ferrari want to win a championship in this next 5 or 6years after Michael leaves, they need to get JPM as soon as possible. Would Villeneuve also be a possible partner for JPM in the future. What a superteam that would be. Perhaps they could use No.27 for Villeneuve and 28 for Juan.

[Wrex]

Originally posted by mariov
How do I explain those names, with common sense...since they are all free agents at the end of the season.

McLaren has the choice to counter any offer Mika gets, all the others are free agents...Fisi has a performance clause and Badoer because of the testing and the link he has with Ferrari, he wont get ther drive but for all the testing he did...to fill the 10 spots I included him in there.

Damon Hill and alain Prost

If you dont agree come up with your own list, and enlighten all of us.....

Sorry mariov, did'nt mean to be insulting. It was a poor attempt at humour on my part.

All of those drivers are possible, just highly unlikely. Obviously I don't really think Damon or Alain will be there next year. Hmmm, but then again.........

Seriously though, it will be Rubins. Massa does'nt have the experience (and has'nt overly impressed so far anyway). Luca is a professional tester now, and will never get a race seat at Ferrari. Button is'nt fast enough. Coultard, Villeneurve and Hakkinen, would'nt get the offer, and would'nt take it anyway. Heidfeld is also German, and no modern race team would limit thier marketing potential. This leaves Fisi, who although competent, like Luca is Italian and Ferrari just won't hire an Italian driver.

Time will tell.

[mariov]

Originally posted by Splatz the Cow
Oi, wanted to vote for Montoya, but he's not in the list. I completely agree with VB on this, JPM is the prime target here. If Ferrari want to win a championship in this next 5 or 6years after Michael leaves, they need to get JPM as soon as possible. Would Villeneuve also be a possible partner for JPM in the future. What a superteam that would be. Perhaps they could use No.27 for Villeneuve and 28 for Juan.

There is a scenario nobody tought about.....a reason to keep Rubbens for another season....to wait until JPM is free....

That would be a hell of a line up.....JPM and JV

[cos]

from crash.net today:

The Italian press are reporting that Rubens Barrichello has been ordered to take a wage cut by his Ferrari paymasters - or leave the team.
The Brazilian - who has yet to open his account this season after two mechanical failures and a first lap accident - has allegedly been told that he must accept a cut in salary for 2003, after the Maranello team began to search for younger talent to partner world champion Michael Schumacher. Barrichello joined Ferrari in 2000 as number two to the German, but has increasingly shown that he wants equal status in the team.
Schumacher has longer to run on his current deal with the team, which is now looking to partner the German with a young charger - much as McLaren has with David Coulthard and Kimi Raikkonen. It is widely accepted that Ferrari helped place Brazilian hotshoe Felipe Massa with engine customer Sauber for grooming in 2002, and the reigning Euro F3000 champion is tipped to be the next Schumacher subordinate.

[Mr V]

Originally posted by cos
from crash.net today:The Italian press are reporting that Rubens Barrichello has been ordered to take a wage cut by his Ferrari paymasters - or leave the team.

putting rubens in an impossible position?

[SILVERS95]

Leaving Ferrari might turn out to be the best thing that can happen in the long run for Rubens.

[Mr V]

Originally posted by SILVERS95
Leaving Ferrari might turn out to be the best thing that can happen in the long run for Rubens.

in what way silvers? of the top teams, williams, mclaren and renault, i can't see any of them touching him, jordan, bar, jaguar are all struggling, toyota are looking toward the future and are going to want a race winner, (1 know rubens has won 1 race, but thats not enough to go on), so that leaves, minardi and arrows, hardly a step forward, so the last appealing option, imo, for rubens as a straight swap for massa would be sauber, but having a ferrari engine in the back of his sauber, he'll just be waiting for the call "let michael past" again!

[SILVERS95]

Well as Murray says " alot can happen in F1 ans usually does , so who knows what seats will be available , but IMO he is a better driver than he looks like at the moment and that because he is under orders from Ferrari . He aint no all time great , but he still could perform better if he was out of Michael's shadow .

[NME]

Hi voted Fisi cause i havent Trulli as an option. Ferrari should have an Italian driver for the post Schummy era. There was times when Italians didnt have a really good driver ... but now they have 2. Both Trulli and Fisi are very fast and still young. I would like to see Ferrari go Italian.

[Mr V]

just put jpm in the car and let the worlds 2 best drivers fight it out fair and square!