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They can follow each other closely enough now. There were cars really close in Beckets, Maggets and Abbot to normally give themselves a chance. We also have a rev limit, though. This makes it quite a bit harder to slipstream past since the engine at some point just doesn't give you any room any more to gain any speed.
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you did see that at least once on an in car where the driver was following and bouncing off the limiter.
In that case you can blame the team, they can change the ratios to give a bit more in a straight line, but then if it slows your acceleration as the guy in front you might get passed so we can blame the team again for playing it safe. I love aerodynamics, I think it's amazing what they can do with a low pressure area under a high pressure one that is seperated by a surface, however, the amounts of downforce generated and the cars utter dependence on them are what is killing motor racing. I can't think of any series that has improved as a spectacle since I have watched with more aero (since 89 or so). F1, not any better (if a bit closer this year), BTCC was awesome, alfa ruined it with the silverstone 155 and the aero war and improved with spec wings. NASCAR, COT is a disgrace, with those endplates I think I could catch a slide and I'm pish and they can't get as close as they used to. |
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It's not totally to do with aerodynamics, it's to do with braking ability as well. An F1 car can go from 150mph to 50mph in what, 100 metres? Braking ability needs to be greatly reduced and it may make it easier for overtaking to take place.
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Could there be an arguement for different "Classes" of cars with different specifications, all with an equal chance of winning? Could this spice up the racing? So for example Ferrari may wish to run with a V12, but what they gain in power, they lose in terms of minimum weight, size/material of brakes and fuel tank size. Whereas another team may only wish to run a V6 where they have a lower minimum weight limit, larger fuel tank and different brakes. Although the V12 engined car may have an advantage on the power areas of the circuit, the V6 car would have a significant advantage through the twisty stuff. Thinking along the old Mini - VS - Ford Mustang races in old BTCC, or am i just talking rubbish? |
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take the wings away, leave the brakes the same, I assure you braking distances will increase.
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I think that it would be very difficult to 'equalize' all the different bits and pieces.Now,if there was a budget cap........ You mean where maybe some teams haven't got a good chassis,but have a really good engine and where the other teams have really good chassis but have 'slower' engines......hmmm,I think I've seen that written down somewhere before. |
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One simple way of helping overtaking is to stop concreting or astroturfing the edge of the race track. The margins of error are too great as there is no penalty for putting 2 or even 4 wheels outside the white lines.
If a driver was punished every time he put a wheel on outside the white line e.g. grass or wicked saw tooth curbs, then you'd get more mistakes and more overtaking. You'd also get the less skillful drivers having to be conservative with their lines which means that better more precise drivers can get a run on them. Its a total farce when you see cars going off the track without losing any momentum. |
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Well Sam Michael is in agreement too. Williams' Nico Rosberg suffered quite badly from the inability to overtake at Silverstone.
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I'm not really sure that people watch F1 for the technology.We've been told that it's for another reason.
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Yes,it didn't help that my favourite team 'Crown' were hit with a $100,000,000 fine and ejected from the championship for pre-warming the wall before applying the paint.
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I really am at a loss for what to suggest.
I really thought the 2009 cars would be a lot better than they are. The only thing I could suggest is wider cars (more drag + more stable + more mechanical grip) and wider rear tyres. Making the cars heavier would help, as would increasing the reliance of underbody aero. I can't think of anything else. |
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After the rain races of 2008 I've been wondering whether mechanical grip truly is the answer. We had fantastic rain racing in 2008, with all the aero they were still running, but reduced mechanical grip due to the slippery surface.
Perhaps less mechanical grip is the answer? Ultra-hard tyres that offer little grip and throw next to no marbles onto the track, so a wider choice of lines remains? Could also work well with the lack of refueling that's coming. |
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Now to just get rid of the DDDs and introduce some really hard tyres. |
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Where are you going to find all the new drivers?
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But in addition, flat bottomed cars and no diffusers whatsoever. The rule would be simple: no floor at all under the car rearward of the drivers - erm - seat. Maybe the definition of what supports the engine, gearbox, rear suspension and rear wing would need some careful consideration in the written rules, as what we now know as a floor or a diffuser might be described as an engine mount, or rear wing mount, by the designers in a similar way to rear crash structures having a dual function on some 2009 cars. |
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