The best overtaking move of all time!

[Sato san]

yep........definatly has to be Mansell at the Peraltda in Mexico on Berger in 1990 .

[DNQ]

Some of my favourites:

Alesi on Senna, USA 1990
Piquet on Senna, Hungary 1986
Villeneuve and Arnoux, France 1979
Bernoldi on Schumacher, Malaysia 2002
Mansell on Piquet, Britain 1987
Montoya on Raikkonen and Ralf, Canada 2002
Senna on Schumacher/Wendlinger/Hill/Prost, Europe 1993
Coulthard on Schumacher, France 2000
Hakkinen on Schumacher, Belgium 2000
Montoya on Schumacher, Brazil 2001

I'm sure I'll think of more after I click 'submit'....

[bcobbus]

Mika's move on TGF in Belgium in 2000 is my favorite. Anybody who has seen the onbaord footage would realise how great the move was. Also from that footage I was amazed at how close they came to hitting when TGF slammed the door on Mika the lap before. I watch that video all the time on my computer and it never gets old!

[RWC]

Jeez why can't i remember hungary 86?!What's wrong with me.I distinctly remember the tv scenes of piquet running awy from them all with a better diff.Have i got the wrong year?
That pass by Hak on shu and the backmarker was pure luck,some of you guys should try racing yourselves....Mansels pass in mexico deserves lots of kudos.
the 2 lap,multi pass battle between arnoux(?)and vilenueve has to be the ultimate that i can remember(only because it was filmed)

[Ralf]

Originally posted by The Monster
If anyone hasn't seen the Piquet VS Senna move at Hungary 1986, you HAVE to see it, its is a spectaular move with the emphesis on "Sp".

If that's the one where Piquet got sideways then that's my fave.

My memory is bad, but Berger in a Ferrari overtook someone at one of the chicane's at Hockenheim.
I think he went on the grass before then nearly went through sideways :confused:

Anyway that was cool too

[Aysedasi]

I see that overtaking only started in the 70's/80s........








And ended in the 90's.

[DNQ]

Well, Aysedasi the reason for there being no moves mentioned before the 70s are quite simple...

Firstly, there was so much overtaking back then it's hard to perhaps pick out a single move, and secondly, most of us are unfortunante enough to have never watched full length GP's from before the 80s.

I'd like to hear about some moves from the 50s, 60s and 70s.

[paulzinho]

Well I dont know if theres a video of it but I heard Fangio took a nice little shortcut across the grass at the Nurburgring in 1957 to get past someone!

Don't know how true that is though!

[Gore]

Gotta say, I'm with RWC--I wouldn't call Spa 2000 one of the greatest moves of all time. It was an exciting race, with Hakkinen all over Schu in the closing laps with the Championship so tight, but the actual pass was simply a case of having a great tow. It took bravery to aim for that gap to Zonta's right, but I don't think any racing driver in those circumstances would just have lifted and followed Schu through: it had to be worth a look to the other side. I think it was only the lack of overtaking in the couple of preceeding years that fuelled the response the move got, I wouldn't compare it to Silverstone '87, Esoril '96, or even Barrichello's moves at Silverstone this year.

(In no way is this meant as Hakkinen bashing; I'm sure if I put my mind to it I could come up with some better moves he pulled off in F1).

[DNQ]

I agree with you Gore, and I'm a big Mika fan

[Adam43]

Originally posted by DieRitter
Piquet on Senna - Hungary 86!!!!

Yes that was good, so much opposite lock. Top stuff.

[Damon]

Just flicking through my copy of the 1987 British GP programme (which I now own thanks to garcon and the British postal service ), and there's quite a, now, quite amusing article on Nige in there. Hows this for an opening line:
"If everything goes to plan, Nigel Mansell should win the Shell Oils British Grand Prix without to much in the way of drama.".
Oh how they were wrong! He won it all right, but boy was there drama, good old Nige.

[Mr V]

Nigels overtake ofBerger in Mexico 1990.

[Snrub]

Originally posted by kdr
wrong forum i know. but surely theres no contest?

zanardi and "the pass" on herta at the corkscrew.

Zanardi should have been penalized for that one. He drove off course. Herta didn't want to crash and let off. Had he drove through normally the pass never would have happened.

Have the same question but apply it to CART. I honestly couldn't come up with a good list. Why? Because passing happened all the time (not twice per season) and the individual passes blend together. Formula 1 is getting better, but it's got a way to go.

[ralf fan]

Nigel overtakes Berger Mexico1990

[kdr]

Originally posted by Snrub
Zanardi should have been penalized for that one. He drove off course. Herta didn't want to crash and let off. Had he drove through normally the pass never would have happened.

Have the same question but apply it to CART. I honestly couldn't come up with a good list. Why? Because passing happened all the time (not twice per season) and the individual passes blend together. Formula 1 is getting better, but it's got a way to go.

top marks for invention though! didn't they put hoardings there the following year to stop people trying a similar thing?

it'd never happen in f1. imagine schumacher pulling that sort of move on anyone....this forum would go into meltdown!

[herowassenna]

Hi people,new to 10/10ths but i thought i'd throw a spanner in the works........
the best move ever was Barrichello's overtaking Schumi at Indianapolis last year, well it wins my prize for comedy.....

[Lee Janotta]

There was no rule on the subject of being on or off-track in CART at the time, Snrub. And it was just a spectacular move, no matter how you look at it.

Fangio on Hawthorne, with one lap to go, on the grass in the '57 German GP, to lock up the championship, his fifth and final WDC. No other single move can compare in significance.

Couldn't find that pass, but this is from a few corners earlier, as he outbrakes Collins into the Nordkurve. Hawthorne's Ferrari is just ahead.

[paulzinho]

So it is true then!

Where'd you source the photo from then Lee?

[Smokey 6 litre]

me on my brother, F1 career challange, Nurburgring at the chicane, late diving manouver down the inside, ramming a Jordan and continuing on to win the 1/2 length race.

[Lee Janotta]

Originally posted by paulzinho
So it is true then!

Where'd you source the photo from then Lee?

http://www.FarzadsF1Gallery.com/hilights.php

[Mattracer]

MONTOYA on TGF Nurburgring 2003!!!!!!!!!

MONTOYA on TGF Brazil, Turn 1, 2001


Mansell on Berger, Mexico, 1990

[John Turner]

Mansell's overtaking manoeuvres seem to be a leading feature here. I'd probably go for that incredibly quick reactive and opportunistic move on Senna at Hungary in 1989. However, all of his mentioned were brilliant and just serves to confirm my view that whatever else he was, he was definitely the greatest overtaker (and therefore racer?)of modern times.

[Jordi]

Originally posted by corkholio
JPM and Woobens managed to pass on the outside this year, and they didn't need Johnny Carwash's help.

Well, Juan passed in a slow corner, as opposite to the speed in Estoril's last corner, and I don't remember Rubens passing.. however, each pass is a different world.

[Redlake27]

5. Barichello on Raikonnen,Silverstone 03
Beautifully executed

4. Piquet on Senna, Hungary 1986
Do or die!

3. Mansell on Piquet, Britain 1987
Pure racing instinct

2. Raikonnen on Montoya, Hungary 02
At the Hungaroring - for christ's sake!

1. Mansell on Berger,Mexico 90
Awesome. I honestly thought he wouldn't make it.