Monte Carlo Rally Latest - Page 2

safc_fan89 · 22 Jan 2006, 18:34 (Ref:1506840)

Well done to Marcus Gronholm though, a good win. Well done to Sebastian Loeb as well. Second even after a 5 minute time penalty is quite special.

shambles · 22 Jan 2006, 19:08 (Ref:1506868)

Yeah top draw from Loeb. I want to see how he fares up against Grondholm, when Marcus is driving in conditions he revels in, although i'd tip Loeb for the title. An astounding drive.

I think Matty Wilson had a good rally as well, 15th on his debut - not bad.

bucko · 22 Jan 2006, 19:41 (Ref:1506890)

one word for the itv coverge

how bad was that ..could they have not got old robbie to voice over or some one who can do better than that ,
i surpose if leob had not crashed that would of put him 6 mins in front of gronholm to win !!!
once out you should stay out .

chunder · 22 Jan 2006, 20:13 (Ref:1506906)

It was the same coverage blanket to be honest, same bloody bird on Men and Motors! Trying to over dramatise a sport that doesnt need it.
Think Superally rules are only there becuse otherwise there might be occasions when there are only a few cars left running.
Is better for the speccies, and Loeb is a special case in Monte, not many would have been able to get back that much of a penalty (maybe should be a higher pen)

shambles · 22 Jan 2006, 20:35 (Ref:1506915)

Did anybody think that the actual rally seemed a bit morbid, a bit eerie. A bit. Bland?

redshoes · 22 Jan 2006, 21:15 (Ref:1506926)

I thought it was duller than normal but put it down to the female voiceover. She seemed to be just reading a script with no enthusiasm, almost as if she neither knew nor cared what was going on. I've heard the shipping forecast delivered with more passion.

And what the deal with virual spectator. Yes it's a very clever system but did they have to use it all the time. If you have to combine VS with on-board footage at least put VS in the smaller picture and let us see the real footage fullscreen, not the other way round. If I want to see computer generated rallying I'll buy an X-box.

safc_fan89 · 22 Jan 2006, 21:19 (Ref:1506928)

Dunno, but the ITV coverage did little to make me want to watch every round this season. If the highlights are poor, you don't get a good insight of what actually happened.

shambles · 22 Jan 2006, 21:20 (Ref:1506930)

Agreed totally RS.

Who used to do it, Angus Scott and Robbie "Someone"? Do you think maybe they could still be on thier "holidays"?

The commentary reminded me of two things, low budget European sports shows - like "Transworld Sport" or "Gillette World Sport" and low budget Satellite TV show coverage, like Motors TV. But probably, worse.

rdjones · 22 Jan 2006, 21:50 (Ref:1506944)

This year ITV arn't sending their own cameras & commentators to each round, mainly due to the lack of a front line driver from the UK being in the championship. So instead they will be using the coverage which is produced by ISC. But I do agree the coverage was poor and wish they would mention more than the top 10 cars.

shambles · 22 Jan 2006, 22:22 (Ref:1506966)

Thanks for that info rd, very interesting. Such a shame really.

The Sweeper · 22 Jan 2006, 22:44 (Ref:1506975)

well that is me finished with following WRC. When a driver can crash out and not finish the stage yet still end up coming second partly due to great driving but mainly due to stupid rules saying you can continue and still get points. That just seems to undermine the whole idea of the competition. WHO THE HELL IS TRYING TO RUIN THE SPORT?

Suze · 22 Jan 2006, 22:48 (Ref:1506979)

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Originally Posted by martin-1

Did anyone else thing ITV's coverage was even worse than usual?

missed the woman....by that point was asleep on sofa! bit i saw was alright though, shame i fell asleep really....

Suze · 22 Jan 2006, 23:00 (Ref:1506985)

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Sweeper

well that is me finished with following WRC. When a driver can crash out and not finish the stage yet still end up coming second partly due to great driving but mainly due to stupid rules saying you can continue and still get points. That just seems to undermine the whole idea of the competition. WHO THE HELL IS TRYING TO RUIN THE SPORT?

you really think that's not right? yes he crashed out and didn't finish the stage and lost a great lead, but i think it's a testament to his driving that he managed to claw back time, finish second and still score points.

redshoes · 22 Jan 2006, 23:13 (Ref:1506993)

Quote:

Originally Posted by chunder

Think Superally rules are only there becuse otherwise there might be occasions when there are only a few cars left running.
Is better for the speccies, and Loeb is a special case in Monte, not many would have been able to get back that much of a penalty (maybe should be a higher pen)

Well said. I can undertand the reason for allowing cars back in, although I don't necessarily agree with it. The 5 min penalty doesn't seem enough, especially when the top 10 were only covered 10 mins. Drivers have been known to lose more than that with a simple puncture.

Are we going to see a situation where a driver with any sort of mechanical problem on day one will 'retire' rather than press on simply because he'll lose less time?

Roundy Mooney · 23 Jan 2006, 08:01 (Ref:1507081)

Should be behind last car in class plus maximum lateness at least. Which on most events would be 15 to 20 mins.

safc_fan89 · 23 Jan 2006, 08:47 (Ref:1507098)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suze

you really think that's not right? yes he crashed out and didn't finish the stage and lost a great lead, but i think it's a testament to his driving that he managed to claw back time, finish second and still score points.

Only a select few rally drivers could recover like that. But what if someone crashes 'out' twice. Are they still allowed back in?

**GTRMagic** · 23 Jan 2006, 09:08 (Ref:1507108)

Loeb is still pretty damned good to get a 5 minute penalty down to a minute and a bit... yes Gronholm wasnt flat chat for the last day, but it was still a magic effort

Citroen will win this season.... for sure

ss_collins · 23 Jan 2006, 10:18 (Ref:1507143)

S4C Ralio in Welsh with English subbies

Suze · 23 Jan 2006, 11:56 (Ref:1507245)

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Originally Posted by safc_fan89

Only a select few rally drivers could recover like that. But what if someone crashes 'out' twice. Are they still allowed back in?

yes - only a select few are capable of doing that, so i think it's testament to their driving....if someone crashes out twice you won't see them up in second, i don't think somehow.

safc_fan89 · 23 Jan 2006, 16:06 (Ref:1507408)

No, but if a rally driver crashes out twice, they don't really deserve to still be in the rally. I don't think that if they crash at all they should be allowed back in, but that's the rule so...

Suze · 23 Jan 2006, 19:10 (Ref:1507532)

crashing out twice is not the quickest way to complete a stage! but if they do crash out twice, does it matter if they come back? reality is they ain't gonna be that high up the finishing order....

safc_fan89 · 23 Jan 2006, 21:32 (Ref:1507638)

Not high up the order, but someone of Loeb's ability would probably be able to get a point or two. But if it's the same rule for everyone, then it's fine.

Suze · 23 Jan 2006, 21:33 (Ref:1507639)

exactly - "someone of Loeb's ability" - not exactly many (if any) of those around....

924nut · 23 Jan 2006, 22:23 (Ref:1507691)

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Sweeper

well that is me finished with following WRC. When a driver can crash out and not finish the stage yet still end up coming second partly due to great driving but mainly due to stupid rules saying you can continue and still get points. That just seems to undermine the whole idea of the competition. WHO THE HELL IS TRYING TO RUIN THE SPORT?

Totally agree Sweeper - makes the whole thing a farce - - what was the old saying - "To win - first you have to finish" well if he didnt finish a stage then he should be out

Yes let them run to keep the crowd entertained but surely not for points!!! - If they want to play that game - lets have the Grand Prix lads having a spare car ready to jump into mid race (I am joking)

StuiE · 24 Jan 2006, 14:34 (Ref:1508069)

But if they didn't have a chance of scoring points by rejoining, then they most likely wouldn't rejoin, bad for spectators.

I'm yet to see the highlights show....The woman last year wasn't that great either, possibly the same one, but as I said, I havn't seen the show yet, the Virtual Spectator can get pretty irritating too.

Having less cars isn't the end of the world anyway, 1997 only had 3 factory teams.

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