Flags - Waved green and yellow

[Hepatic]

Originally Posted by gachjoel

Until i red it in the book,never knew a red/yellow could be waved,and have never seen one waved

i was waving one the other weekend at anglesey, as a HUGE chunk of exhaust was sat on the racing line. i take waved as *really* important, stationary as important. of course the FIA see different, but hay...!

[gachjoel]

Originally Posted by Hepatic

i was waving one the other weekend at anglesey, as a HUGE chunk of exhaust was sat on the racing line. i take waved as *really* important, stationary as important. of course the FIA see different, but hay...!

Well flagging on F1 meet aint sumit i`m gonna worry about for the near future.
But the waving of that flag is few and far between

[Grandslammer]

Originally Posted by Hepatic

i was waving one the other weekend at anglesey, as a HUGE chunk of exhaust was sat on the racing line. i take waved as *really* important, stationary as important. of course the FIA see different, but hay...!

If that's the 'striped ' flag you're on about,then personally,I'd have been waving the yellow for that

[Grandslammer]

Originally Posted by CombeMarshal

At F1 Meets, yeah!

All FIA meets

[gachjoel]

[quote=White flag man]Quite often I have stood holding a safety car board out when I know I am lying, because I know the safety car has already pulled off,quote]

But in a way your not lying,as all the cars are still under the safety car rule till they cross the start/finish line,even tho the safety car is in the pits

[The STIG]

Originally Posted by gachjoel

But in a way your not lying,as all the cars are still under the safety car rule till they cross the start/finish line,even tho the safety car is in the pits

Technically the leading car becomes the pace car, it's more a no over taking that. and I too have been in a similar position. only at one race, but multiple times therein as it happens.

(Silverstone 24 hours last year)

[Woolley]

To put it bluntly, can anyone think of a more pointless excercise than waving a green flag for the whole of a lap after a restart? Once you pass the one at the start line, you're racing. In actual fact, I believe it should be once you can see the flag waved at the start line, you're racing, no need to wait until you get there. Once the green comes out, the yellows everywhere else can be withdrawn, kind of opposite way round to how you do the red flag. With good coms (cough *landline* cough) they could even all be withdrawn simultaneously.

The trouble is, when you're one to a post, if you're pointlessly waving a flag that the drivers aren't looking at because they know about it already, then you've got to put it down before you can wave anything else, and just after a restart is often the time when you find you really could do with waving a blue, or even a yellow.

Rules made by people who don't really understand what they're ruling on. I mean, has anyone in the rule making side of FIA ever actually waved a flag in anger? I doubt it.

[275 GTB-4]

Originally Posted by Woolley

To put it bluntly, can anyone think of a more pointless excercise than waving a green flag for the whole of a lap after a restart? Once you pass the one at the start line, you're racing. In actual fact, I believe it should be once you can see the flag waved at the start line, you're racing, no need to wait until you get there. Once the green comes out, the yellows everywhere else can be withdrawn, kind of opposite way round to how you do the red flag. With good coms (cough *landline* cough) they could even all be withdrawn simultaneously.

The trouble is, when you're one to a post, if you're pointlessly waving a flag that the drivers aren't looking at because they know about it already, then you've got to put it down before you can wave anything else, and just after a restart is often the time when you find you really could do with waving a blue, or even a yellow.

Rules made by people who don't really understand what they're ruling on. I mean, has anyone in the rule making side of FIA ever actually waved a flag in anger? I doubt it.

I tend to agree o' woolen one...the only reason I can think differently is to ensure that all Flag Points are on the ball and fully understand that the re-start has occurred...

Especially on very long tracks where people are out in the boonies...lets face it, if you have no comms and see at least one other point go green...well...hey! you can wing it in relative safety

[Woolley]

I call it the great Safety-Car-Shuffle. A wide variety of different times for taking in the yellow and SC boards, swap to green, make sure blue and yellow are still easily available (although never actually tried waving blue and green together). Having done that, check which of the several versions of SC regs we're using (can be different race to race on the same week-end). Put the green down again because we don't need it for this version, then realize we shouldn't have been waving the yellow for this version...

Anyway, you don't need coms. The safety car switches his lights off when he's coming in. So the first position to see it with the lights off withdraws the yellow and boards as it passes, everyone after does the same, they're then withdrawn backwards around the track. Start line holds out a stationary green so that they can also be withdrawn forwards around the track, and then when the leader gets near the start line, the green is waved and we can all go racing.

That also gets rid of that 'accelerating before the last corner and stuffing up the racing' bit. All cars hold their speed until the green waves then stamps on the gas. Backmarker in front? Once the green waves, pass it. Doesn't matter if you're not at the line yet.

It's simple if you just work out the message you're trying to convey - it's not safe to race/you can't race yet/Goooooo!

[The Fat Clerk]

Trouble is, on at least one occasion the Safety Car didn't switch his lights off!

[gachjoel]

Correct if i`m wrong,
but i thought the waving of the green after a safety car period was to let the drivers know that the track had returned to race condition and was clear.

[Woolley]

It is, but at every post? Start line is plenty sufficient in my book.

[danccooke]

got to agree with Wolley on that one, just marshalled the 24hr at Nurburgring, you wave a bloody green flag for a whole lap with 250 cars going round a 22km circuit. I have arms like a 15 year old boy with a copy of his dads playboy.

[mini1400]

Originally Posted by danccooke

got to agree with Wolley on that one, just marshalled the 24hr at Nurburgring, you wave a bloody green flag for a whole lap with 250 cars going round a 22km circuit.

We had waved yellow flags at all points for the entire 15 min DTM 'roll out' on Friday due to the medial 'copter not being able to fly...

[Bodysnatcher]

Originally Posted by mini1400

We had waved yellow flags at all points for the entire 15 min DTM 'roll out' on Friday due to the medial 'copter not being able to fly...

wanna try 1/2 an hour of waved yellow for the safety car at Le Mans? (reasons - various).

[danccooke]

our post had a 55 minute yellow while some armco was replaced at the Ring 24hr. Happily just as Dee and I handed the post to Paul and Dave. I was so upset, really.