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1 Sep 2005, 18:29 (Ref:1396628)
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He's alongside a very good driver now. Regardless of the car he's driving, they both have the same equipment. So there's your comparison.
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1 Sep 2005, 19:15 (Ref:1396668)
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Webber lacks consistency. FA does not. Having said that, Mark has less than one year in the Williams car. Not enough time to be totally at ease, I'd say. Speed-wise I think it would be close but Webber needs to learn patience to be in the upper echelon of drivers. Those that keep insisting he is there already are dreaming.
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1 Sep 2005, 21:27 (Ref:1396799)
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1 Sep 2005, 21:53 (Ref:1396831)
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I have been looking for a nice & polite way to say that Alonso would put Webber in his back pocket but I still haven't found one. I don't want to aggravate his fans though
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1 Sep 2005, 22:06 (Ref:1396842)
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Well Trulli really put Alonso in the shade last year until the little tantie. I would put Webber along side Trulli on talent.
I'd actually think they would be pretty evenly matched.. |
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1 Sep 2005, 22:09 (Ref:1396844)
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Trulli put Alonso in the shade??? you must be kidding...
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1 Sep 2005, 22:58 (Ref:1396871)
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Webber would be destroyed by Alonso..... fair and simple....
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1 Sep 2005, 23:33 (Ref:1396874)
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I would not go that far though. Webber is F1 material but I don't see him doing any better than Trulli or Fisico against Alonso.
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2 Sep 2005, 00:42 (Ref:1396912)
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IMO I would say that if Webber was driving for Renault with Alonso, Alonso would be the 'Schumy' and Webber would be the 'Barrichello' - both very good drivers, but one having that edge over the other that makes a WDC.
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2 Sep 2005, 01:40 (Ref:1396935)
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Alonso's driving is flawless now??!! Bloody hell! He's never been off track this year?? I think some of the more fanatical F1 followers here could set whoever said that straight...someone already mentioned Montreal....
And if Coulthard is better than Webber how come he's not thrashing Klien for pace? Sure Klien's improved but not that much... Why are people so quick to label the leading driver in the best car as the best driver? I also keep hearing how Schumi is no longer the best driver in F1, and Alonso and Raikkonnen are the new breed...strange how that's come about since the F2005, like the Williams, is a misfiring tank. Webber has thrashed every teammate he's ever had in F1 and would be equal on points with Nick if it weren't for a team decision, hey, it's just the truth...and he's well had him for pace. What have Kimi and Alonso and JPM done to prove they're better drivers than Webber - drive a better car? Some proof! |
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2 Sep 2005, 01:40 (Ref:1396937)
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I don't think we will ever find out...because of one of the following...
a) Webber will not be partnered with Alonso b) They will be partnered in a #1 and #2 deal DKGandBH |
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2 Sep 2005, 01:48 (Ref:1396941)
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2 Sep 2005, 01:58 (Ref:1396947)
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2 Sep 2005, 02:23 (Ref:1396955)
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2 Sep 2005, 08:48 (Ref:1397095)
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I suppose the stats don't show potential though. The way Alonso has won races this year shows to me that he's a worthy potential WDC. Yes he had the best car at the time, but it still needs a champion driver to reliably bring it home.
Same goes for Raikonnen now the Mac is improving. He looks to me like the real deal. In fact, for me Raikonnen and Alonso are streets ahead of everyone else bar Michael. I can't produce stats to prove that, it's just the way I see it. In ten years time, I believe either or both of them will be multiple WDC's, and I honestly don't believe Webber will. As fans on the 'outside' it's not easy for us to see how certain drivers are developing - because results is not the only measure. So we all have our opinions and our favourites. I'm not going to mock anyone who tells me now that Webber will be the next multi WDC - cos it might just be that they're right and I'm wrong! |
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2 Sep 2005, 10:13 (Ref:1397157)
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Fair point about Montreal, my mistake. Pretty much every other race has been faultless however. Last season was a bit of a wobble for him at times, but a lot of emerging drivers have spells like that, and he's overcome it extremely well. I agree with Garcon about Kimi and Fernando beign the best of the new drivers, and I'd put JPM and Jenson ahead of Mark as well (a driver combining JB's smoothness and mechanical sympathy with JPM's outright speed and overtaking skill would be a match for anyone). Webber is perhaps the best of the next group.
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2 Sep 2005, 10:20 (Ref:1397162)
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To be fair Alonso's gone off track at at least two races (no i can't remember which ones but someone will - and yes he got back on both times without too much trouble as i recall).
And how come Alonso is allowed a "wobble" and webber is not? |
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2 Sep 2005, 10:46 (Ref:1397181)
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2 Sep 2005, 10:57 (Ref:1397192)
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Webber would have his butt kicked every weekend. Alonso has shown up Fisichella this season, and I rate him higher than Our Mark.
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2 Sep 2005, 11:46 (Ref:1397226)
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2 Sep 2005, 12:11 (Ref:1397248)
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Right folks - lets keep the personal attacks out of it - opinions are just that - viewpoints are the remit of individuals and whilst we may not always agree with them, that's not to say they are right or wrong.
A heads up - we don't want MW to head the same way on the forum as JV has done in the past - someone who polarises vociferous opinions to such an extent that 'discussion' on them becomes almost impossible. |
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2 Sep 2005, 12:18 (Ref:1397257)
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NO driver who is driving on the edge is going to be flawless. In fact if I was a fan of a driver who never missed a turn, I would question whether that driver has reached his potential. There is no doubt that Webber is always "hanging it out" and that is why he has many passionate fans. The talent is there, no question in my mind, he just needs to work on the mental part of racing and show better judgement. Some drivers never do get that, but I think Webber needs more time after flailing away in inferior machinery early in his career. Alonso has matured quickly and most of the time drives like a cool 30 something veteran. It is hard to believe he is so young still. Webber will be hard pressed to ever reach that plateau, imo. In that regard I consider him to be very much like JPM. It's all in the head!
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2 Sep 2005, 12:49 (Ref:1397272)
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Webber is an interesting driver. People never seem to come to conclusion whether he really is fast, or was it just an illusion resulting from rubbish team mates. I tend to belive he is quite fast. I'm convinced he would do a better job than Fisi who seems to have lost his confidence to the team and possibly to himself. Mark would probably keep pushing, but I think it would be very difficult for him to make himself the #1 at Renault. So at Renault Alonso would probably be clearly faster. But... if for some paranormal reason Alonso would join him at Williams...
 I'd be interested to see that.
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2 Sep 2005, 12:56 (Ref:1397276)
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When Mark, Jensen and Fernando where all at Renault, Mark was more than able to hold his own against them.
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2 Sep 2005, 12:59 (Ref:1397280)
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He was the test driver - it's impossible for those of us who weren't in the team to compare their relative merits by looking at test times.
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